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there are over 1 000 ufo sightings

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reported around the world every month

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90 of these sightings can be explained

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but 10

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cannot

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officially and unofficially the us

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government has been investigating ufo

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since 1947

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your top secret goal is to find out

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what's behind these unexplained

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the pentagon classifies these as unusual

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airborne anomalies

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but a better term is x-files

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join us as mac one more and commander

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cobra it's one of these unsolved cases

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ufo incidents that even baffled the us

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military

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and now

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here's mac maloney

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hey good evening everyone and welcome to

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mcmillan's mill track style show here on

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the distant hunter radio network this is

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macmillan

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we have a very interesting shoe for you

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tonight

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i'll say that every night i know well

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and we never fail do we that's right

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okay thank you all right

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because cobra is in here you are

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stepping on your introduction that's

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right that's right i'm gonna take over

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okay it's gonna be a coup yeah

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the game's a foot

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that's right i feel like holmes used to

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sing

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anyway that voice you're hearing is

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i was all excited but if you step all

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over it

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how exciting

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i diminished my opening but 17 weeks in

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a row yeah

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17. i know it i love coming down here

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wow

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just one of them unless i'm you know

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deadly sick or something or i need to be

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in the bunker because of uh i got some

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strange disease or the weather's bad

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we'd want you to yes stay home exactly

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but right one one has been here 17

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consecutive weeks in a row and i'm

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telling this is amazing it's like bob

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dylan you know

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you know actually showing up 17 times in

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a row

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but anyway one more so thank you for

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gracing us but he hasn't talked to

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anybody no

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no he's a weird he's so weird yeah he is

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i love him but he doesn't talk to the

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audience he hasn't engaged the audience

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no whatsoever no

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he's pretty funny dude back in uh

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there's a documentary film of him i

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think it's called don't look backwards

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tour of england that's great and he just

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like rips about every british person

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just like rips

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it's unbelievable and he was funny it

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really diminishes them big time yeah

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it's not just a rip it has a sense of

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humor to him though you know what i mean

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and you can see he's just thinking so

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freaking quick and i don't think anybody

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got angry at his uh

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his tirades too

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there's one even the limos you know the

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draft right yeah there's one reporter

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who he just goes on and on this guy and

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this guy is like a square you know what

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i mean and and he's trying to you know

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find the meaning of dylan's songs and

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oh boy i'm surprised they didn't you

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know go to wall with us again after that

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then the other scene is when donovan

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comes in the singer donovan who was a

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big time star back then

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he says i want to play my new song and

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it's like oh you know when the flowers

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come out and you know and you know has

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some kind of like hooky folky thing and

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dylan says let me uh you know play my

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song and it was like you know like a

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rolling stone or something people like

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upstairs downstairs that's that's when

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people started studying his lyrics and

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saying where is he getting this stuff

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from yeah yeah and he said in one of the

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books i read that it just comes to him

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yeah he said that it's like his channel

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don't even know how everyone i just sat

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and the pen just moved you know when you

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wow it's really a um it gives you a

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snapshot of what it was like in new york

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63-64 as you know folky thing was there

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but now the beatles is happening in it

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and he's a huge woody guthrie fan yeah

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yeah i mean there's some songs that are

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covers of some of the old oh yeah old

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bluegrass standards and it sounds like

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bob dylan is singing from he just jumped

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off of a freight car yeah right yeah

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yeah i think that was the idea maybe

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that's where you get the hair because it

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always looks like that looks like

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he was just riding the rails just uh

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maybe a little bit too long right yeah

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but hey an interesting guy you know i

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mean uh he never feels to interest you i

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mean i bet at all the communication

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schools or music schools they they've

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got courses on bachelor oh yeah syracuse

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they probably had it 30 years ago

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i know they got a beatles curriculum up

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there yeah oh yeah i knew people went to

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syracuse university a lot of journalism

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people go there it's like big movies

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daughter did you want those two years

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old cobras no my youngest daughter oh

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did you oh really oh really yeah oh wow

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yeah mango started to tell you what a

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freaking party school is but now i won't

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bring him up i didn't know your daughter

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went through that she wasn't living on

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maybe more it's the groovy school you

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know that it's you know it has to be

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groovy because she was studying

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psychology oh wow yeah that must been

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fun but this

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the music schools i like that you know

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the communication school i would have

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loved to have gone there

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i worked with a lot of people at

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the big old king alarm right years ago

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and they went to syracuse university and

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because it's it's it gets more snow out

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there than any other major city in the

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country it smells like and they should

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pick her up between semesters it's crazy

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and you get that it's lake effect snow

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really nothing it's real snow but you go

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out there there's tons of bars there's

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tons of you know stuff to do it's you

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know they built that huge carrier dome

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yep i saw bruce springsteen in that

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thing they had half of it cut off and i

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still haven't been in anything that big

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in my life there's forty thousand people

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there's incredible one day that i went

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and picked her up i said sarah why don't

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you tell me it's elton john and billy

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joel oh that's a good show

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i could have done that we could have

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done that show stayed over one of the

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motels yeah yeah they'd carry a circle

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and then uh gone home the next day yeah

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it's it's it's an interesting place but

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i know and no one everyone i know who

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the best four years of my life because

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apparently there's a lot to do even i

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mean the city itself didn't really turn

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me on no you had to you had to be you

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affiliated with the school in some way

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um so anyway well that's interesting so

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did she go on to be a psychologist your

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donna uh sort of uh more of a

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just i don't know more is this the one

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that works for the state department the

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one that's flying on us yeah uh she no

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she knows she now works for uh actually

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i don't know where she works

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i gotta keep it a secret oh come on

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hey it's me you're talking to me almost

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thank you i can tell you she does work

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but okay well you were wearing a state

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department jacket here the other day you

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scared the hell out of me i got that

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from my wife she works with them she

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works at the passport center wow yeah

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you're ingrained there baby i'm

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surrounded and then my oldest daughter i

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can tell you this

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she's uh studying at unh for her

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master's degree in artificial

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intelligence she got an intern gig

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at the department of the navy

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really yeah boy

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when the knock comes in the night for me

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i will know who sent them

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the won one family the entire family

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apparently and every time they get

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vetted i think they start checking me

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out too i don't always know about it yes

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you know i got i um was on the on the

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vetting uh thing for agent x

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twice okay

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they came to my house at eight o'clock

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in the morning one morning and asked me

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everything about him everything didn't

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come with an armored vehicle or anything

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i i've done it twice and um

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it's a real uh he'll come here for

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saying this but it's a real stressful

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time man it's like crazy you know

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because they do a complete security

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check on you once every five years it's

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like the top one and i was in a

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restaurant with him once and he's like

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looking over his shoulder he says no

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they'll have to step actors come in and

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play like a family and try to overhear

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your conversations or something like

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that so

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i don't know see if loose lips sink

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ships yeah yeah and i did tell them i

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did tell the person one thing i

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shouldn't have

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and uh which i won't mention on the end

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but late but months later he says i want

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to let you know i did pass you know and

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thanks for mentioning the plank

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sorry

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anyway

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inside very inside so

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um one one very interesting your family

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is uh getting work done yeah plugged in

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is right

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when one of these days in the middle of

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the night i'm going to be whisked away

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you know blindfolded and well better you

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than me then i'll say chopper noises

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yeah right i'll still be blindfolded

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yeah yeah yeah and where they do we can

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fly right over the ocean push you out

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who knows what could happen yeah you

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never know because this is what i'm

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doing this gig yeah

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anyway wow very interesting

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so uh tonight's show one month we are

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going to have um prices and surprises

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yes you're right uh i a a person i've

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known for a long time his name is chris

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r he works for the uh navy investigation

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you've known him for a long time yeah

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yeah yep um

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we'll talk about it when he comes on but

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he's he's basically a military detective

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for the navy

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and he also fought the somali pirates

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way back when and that's when i first

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met him that's amazing and um he's going

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to be on he's calling in from hawaii

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tonight about that yeah he's that's he

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really must be working on something that

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sounds like good duty i mean

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you're in newport rhode island i can't

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think of any better duty than that in

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the navy but he's in hawaii i was

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protecting our country big time in

283
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newport well he's doing the same i'm

284
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sure in hong kong he's missing the folk

285
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festival though you know yeah well it's

286
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expensive to get into that

287
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anyway

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um so he's going to be joining us and

289
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then later on we're going to talk to jim

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harold who is an expert in

291
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talk about a week too late black eyed

292
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children he's just going to tell us all

293
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about black-eyed children

294
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uh and he's an expert he's an expert

295
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right as you know alice's might have

296
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heard a couple weeks ago we had a black

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eyed child in the studio with us tonight

298
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30 minutes segment yeah very interesting

299
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jesus out of me you and me both brother

300
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um so maybe maybe jim will

301
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settle us to handle a little bit i'm

302
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still shaking from that little freak

303
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anyway i can't even go out my backyard

304
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now at

305
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night

306
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yeah in case i encounter somebody

307
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yeah it was kind of creepy

308
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it was creepy for a number of reasons

309
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frankly

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um and then we're going to be talking to

311
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susan and willie

312
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uh susan minnelli i think is the way you

313
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pronounce it and willie miranda

314
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no relation to the miranda warning i

315
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don't think we'll see

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and they're running a um a ufo

317
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conference in a little while

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and they're going to tell us about it so

319
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and also brought back california joining

320
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us switches off tonight

321
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because he's preparing for his big

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speech down at the mothman festival in

323
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september

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and he realized you know we told him

325
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last time you better get on it now man

326
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that time is going to just you know fly

327
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when you're doing something he has to

328
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talk for 45 minutes that's a long long

329
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stage

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but once he gets rolling i think that

331
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just he'll be like snap your finger and

332
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if you have if you have a slideshow

333
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which he's doing a powerpoint you know

334
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sometimes you can fill in you know but

335
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still 45 that's a long time a laser

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pointer right

337
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45 minutes a long time to tap dance

338
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thing you know what i mean so

339
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anyway

340
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uh so he's not on tonight but rob

341
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beckhausen will be and we're looking

342
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forward to hearing from the cobra at any

343
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minute so why don't we do this why don't

344
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we take our first commercial break now

345
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and we'll be back with chris r of the

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naval investigative service the real

347
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life pirate hunt you're listening to

348
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mike maloney's military exile show here

349
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on the distant thunder radio network

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we'll be right back after this

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over the years air force major hawk

352
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hunter and his band of patriotic fighter

353
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pilots have fought tirelessly to reunite

354
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a fractured america devastated by a

355
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russian sneak attack

356
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now returning from a mysterious space

357
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odyssey hunter finds a huge russian army

358
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occupying new york city ready to invade

359
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the rest of

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america buzzing through the city's

361
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skyscraper canyons in a tiny top-secret

362
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ghost plane and seeing the invader's

363
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massive weaponry for himself hawk

364
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realizes he's up against the greatest

365
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danger his homeland has ever faced

366
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but equally alarming are reports

367
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claiming that hawke's former girlfriend

368
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dominique is living with the head of the

369
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russian secret police in a manhattan

370
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penthouse

371
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is she his prisoner or is she something

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else

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[Music]

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with the woman in the country he loves

375
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in dire peril hawk hunter the wingman

376
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will apply all his aviation prowess to

377
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launch the most crucial battle for

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america yet no matter what the risks

379
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filled with fast-paced action a wide

380
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range of aircraft and military hardware

381
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battle for america brings back your

382
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favorite characters from earlier books

383
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in the wingman series and delivers a

384
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riveting story that reveals new insight

385
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on america's most famous hero the

386
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wingman

387
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on sale now at amazon.com and available

388
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[Music]

389
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i'm sean connery and you're listening to

390
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the mac maloney military x-files show

391
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on distant thunder radio network

392
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welcome back everyone to macmillan's

393
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miltrex show here on the distant thunder

394
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radio network this is

395
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in the studio 1-1 17 weeks in a row yes

396
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sir glad to be here it's here 17 weeks

397
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the same never wins the patriots are

398
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predicted to get 19-0

399
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on their way to hell we can't talk about

400
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it no i know i know the more i read

401
00:13:33,829 --> 00:13:32,480
about it today the more i heard about i

402
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said you're right you can't talk about

403
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it you have to push it i actually hope

404
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they lose the first game so we don't i

405
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was listening back to the replay i'm

406
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thinking if they lost their second or

407
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third game would be losing the first

408
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game is too much drama but if you lose

409
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like the third game to you know kansas

410
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city or something no one's gonna care

411
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yeah and then you go on and win the rest

412
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and then you're gonna lose a football

413
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that's the plan that's right

414
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anyway

415
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um 1-1 thank you for gracing us with

416
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your presence once again 17 weeks in a

417
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while grace is good grace is good

418
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also on the outline in a uh undisclosed

419
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location the very famous coco commander

420
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cobra is here

421
00:14:11,990 --> 00:14:09,519
good evening gentlemen okay are you

422
00:14:13,750 --> 00:14:12,000
north of south can you tell us that much

423
00:14:16,550 --> 00:14:13,760
no i cannot okay you can't even tell us

424
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which hemisphere you're wow

425
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unbelievable nights no i cannot tell you

426
00:14:21,269 --> 00:14:19,839
what hemispherement

427
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okay

428
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we could tell you what hemispheres we're

429
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in but we'd probably get arrested or

430
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something

431
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um i i just had a question from the

432
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audience for you man a very technical

433
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question

434
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when a plane is um taking off or

435
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they put the brakes on a plane right uh

436
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you know jet huge jets have brakes yep

437
00:14:41,829 --> 00:14:39,839
but they have these powerful engines how

438
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powerful can the brakes be on on even a

439
00:14:45,269 --> 00:14:43,839
small airplane yeah that i've never got

440
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that if this if they're powerful enough

441
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to take off how can your brakes

442
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hold on the back fighter jets uh the

443
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brakes will not generally

444
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hold a very powerful aircraft

445
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at full power full military power after

446
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burner it's not uncommon uh in all

447
00:15:04,949 --> 00:15:02,959
airplanes even helicopters you put the

448
00:15:06,069 --> 00:15:04,959
brakes on run the power up to get the

449
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maximum

450
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uh pressure against the brakes and then

451
00:15:11,269 --> 00:15:09,920
you release it kind of pop it and you

452
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see that with jets to the air show so

453
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you see that they kind of do this you

454
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know you hear the engine spool up and

455
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then you

456
00:15:18,949 --> 00:15:16,720
yeah yeah often they it's almost like a

457
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wheel stand yeah yeah it's like a max

458
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performance take-off that's a technique

459
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to get his maximum amount of thrust so

460
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you don't burn up any runway on the

461
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acceleration you're going from max

462
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acceleration from that so the brakes are

463
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designed to hold the aircraft at full

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power

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not after burner right um now you got

466
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the other thing to be very careful with

467
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the brakes can lock up yes and then

468
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they'll blow the tires will blow okay

469
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good man all right we're taking this all

470
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down this is good good to know the next

471
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time we take off

472
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uh thank you cam amanda on the phone

473
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with us also is uh a friend of mine who

474
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this is the first time we spoke we've

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known each other for it seems like

476
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forever but at least eight nine years

477
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chris r he is uh an investigator for the

478
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navy the naval investigative service

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basically a

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military detective for the navy is that

481
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right chris which is that a good

482
00:16:05,910 --> 00:16:04,079
description

483
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yeah absolutely we're the federal law

484
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enforcement agency for the department of

485
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navy and marine corps

486
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okay and and uh how long have you been

487
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in the navy

488
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uh so i've been with ncis for about nine

489
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years and then before as with a drug

490
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enforcement administration

491
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okay and how long did you pray that

492
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you'd be uh you know that's amazing i

493
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was reading his bio i can't believe he's

494
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been all these things but i was gonna

495
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say how long did you pray to get uh

496
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located in honolulu isn't that like the

497
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dream location for any military person

498
00:16:36,150 --> 00:16:34,320
i'd say what it's it's not bad you know

499
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i'm looking out my window now it doesn't

500
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get any better than this

501
00:16:42,870 --> 00:16:40,480
wow hockey keys people out there surfing

502
00:16:44,310 --> 00:16:42,880
oh man i know oh man and what time of

503
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day is it

504
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uh it's about 12 30 p.m okay 12 30 p.m

505
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okay up late thank you very much oh no

506
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wait is he up late or is it

507
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that's the middle of the day that's so

508
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just a little bit after lunch thank you

509
00:16:59,749 --> 00:16:57,600
cobra that's right so um uh is this

510
00:17:01,350 --> 00:16:59,759
something you always wanted to do to be

511
00:17:02,629 --> 00:17:01,360
you know a detective from the military

512
00:17:04,309 --> 00:17:02,639
or is that

513
00:17:06,069 --> 00:17:04,319
when did you want to start to uh when

514
00:17:07,590 --> 00:17:06,079
did you start thinking about being that

515
00:17:09,909 --> 00:17:07,600
as a professional yeah so

516
00:17:12,069 --> 00:17:09,919
yeah my my dad was a dea agent actually

517
00:17:14,390 --> 00:17:12,079
in the 80s in columbia and so i kind of

518
00:17:16,069 --> 00:17:14,400
grew up all around that uh interned with

519
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him in college started my career off at

520
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dea

521
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but i knew that i want to do something

522
00:17:22,549 --> 00:17:20,160
different um you know i wanted to work

523
00:17:23,750 --> 00:17:22,559
homicides terrorism travel overseas be

524
00:17:26,630 --> 00:17:23,760
on ships

525
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and ncs happened to be hiring and i was

526
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able to get on you know right out of dea

527
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and

528
00:17:33,669 --> 00:17:30,640
the rest is history so it's been it's

529
00:17:35,350 --> 00:17:33,679
been a great career wow wow and and and

530
00:17:37,270 --> 00:17:35,360
you know one of the some of the

531
00:17:39,430 --> 00:17:37,280
more exotic places you've been that you

532
00:17:40,950 --> 00:17:39,440
can tell us i mean honolulu was nice but

533
00:17:43,190 --> 00:17:40,960
you know were you off of somalia were

534
00:17:45,270 --> 00:17:43,200
you over there in that area yeah so i

535
00:17:47,110 --> 00:17:45,280
was i was in a deployment team uh for

536
00:17:49,510 --> 00:17:47,120
three years that took me uh on the

537
00:17:52,950 --> 00:17:49,520
counter piracy mission off the coast yes

538
00:17:54,789 --> 00:17:52,960
i was on a ddg destroyer okay and

539
00:17:56,789 --> 00:17:54,799
then i did uh protective operations in

540
00:18:00,870 --> 00:17:56,799
africa so we did 13 countries all in

541
00:18:02,870 --> 00:18:00,880
africa somalia uganda tanzania burundi

542
00:18:04,870 --> 00:18:02,880
kenya wow um

543
00:18:07,110 --> 00:18:04,880
and so i did 37 countries all throughout

544
00:18:09,110 --> 00:18:07,120
asia so wow you name it pacific i've

545
00:18:10,950 --> 00:18:09,120
been there wow i mean

546
00:18:13,669 --> 00:18:10,960
it's that's that's that's not like

547
00:18:14,630 --> 00:18:13,679
taking a trip a vacation i mean this is

548
00:18:16,070 --> 00:18:14,640
your

549
00:18:17,990 --> 00:18:16,080
career just going from one place to

550
00:18:20,310 --> 00:18:18,000
another to another duty stations those

551
00:18:22,549 --> 00:18:20,320
are really back to back to back in eight

552
00:18:23,990 --> 00:18:22,559
year career wow

553
00:18:25,990 --> 00:18:24,000
yeah

554
00:18:27,430 --> 00:18:26,000
did the travel and the uh you know being

555
00:18:29,750 --> 00:18:27,440
uprooted all the time did it ever get to

556
00:18:31,590 --> 00:18:29,760
be a drag or did you enjoy every time

557
00:18:33,270 --> 00:18:31,600
they told you to go somewhere else

558
00:18:34,549 --> 00:18:33,280
getting that deployment syndrome out you

559
00:18:36,470 --> 00:18:34,559
know living out of a suitcase or a

560
00:18:38,150 --> 00:18:36,480
duffel bag and going to you know third

561
00:18:40,150 --> 00:18:38,160
world countries was one experience you

562
00:18:40,870 --> 00:18:40,160
know i was in afghanistan too right and

563
00:18:42,310 --> 00:18:40,880
then

564
00:18:43,590 --> 00:18:42,320
you know when i was with my admiral and

565
00:18:46,310 --> 00:18:43,600
i was staying at you know five-star

566
00:18:48,710 --> 00:18:46,320
hotels you know going on safaris wow it

567
00:18:49,909 --> 00:18:48,720
was a little bit different experience

568
00:18:52,710 --> 00:18:49,919
so um

569
00:18:54,549 --> 00:18:52,720
just tell us uh you know in in in

570
00:18:55,990 --> 00:18:54,559
i want to say in your workday what what

571
00:18:57,909 --> 00:18:56,000
do you do someone will come to you with

572
00:19:00,630 --> 00:18:57,919
a case they say you know there's been

573
00:19:02,870 --> 00:19:00,640
some kind of uh drug operation uncovered

574
00:19:04,630 --> 00:19:02,880
or someone's been murdered or someone's

575
00:19:06,070 --> 00:19:04,640
committed donald or espionage or

576
00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:06,080
something and you go on the case just

577
00:19:10,950 --> 00:19:08,160
like a detective would go on a case in a

578
00:19:12,950 --> 00:19:10,960
big city or something yeah exactly i

579
00:19:14,630 --> 00:19:12,960
mean we're we're essentially the the the

580
00:19:15,909 --> 00:19:14,640
cops for the navy so

581
00:19:17,029 --> 00:19:15,919
anytime you know i'm at work you know

582
00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:17,039
the phone will ring and like hey you

583
00:19:19,909 --> 00:19:18,480
know we've got a body you know and then

584
00:19:22,070 --> 00:19:19,919
while we're on that call they'll say hey

585
00:19:24,230 --> 00:19:22,080
you know just so you know there's a bomb

586
00:19:26,230 --> 00:19:24,240
threat on this side of the base or you

587
00:19:28,150 --> 00:19:26,240
know someone's been stealing classified

588
00:19:29,510 --> 00:19:28,160
right right in a lot of different

589
00:19:31,270 --> 00:19:29,520
directions wow

590
00:19:33,110 --> 00:19:31,280
we're talking to chris ah who is a

591
00:19:34,789 --> 00:19:33,120
military investigator for the navy the

592
00:19:36,789 --> 00:19:34,799
naval investigative services they are

593
00:19:37,830 --> 00:19:36,799
basically like the cops of the fbi of

594
00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:37,840
the navy

595
00:19:41,350 --> 00:19:39,520
he's been all around the world as he was

596
00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:41,360
telling us in the first segment

597
00:19:45,990 --> 00:19:44,160
and um i was about to ask him

598
00:19:47,830 --> 00:19:46,000
so chris what's what's the i'm gonna ask

599
00:19:49,110 --> 00:19:47,840
you what's the worst and the best place

600
00:19:50,870 --> 00:19:49,120
that you've been

601
00:19:53,110 --> 00:19:50,880
let's start with the worst

602
00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:53,120
oh gosh um

603
00:19:57,350 --> 00:19:55,200
you know i think uh

604
00:19:58,950 --> 00:19:57,360
probably djibouti africa shake your

605
00:20:01,430 --> 00:19:58,960
jubilee there

606
00:20:03,669 --> 00:20:01,440
shake your booty okay yes

607
00:20:06,870 --> 00:20:03,679
um okay why is it just is it like real i

608
00:20:09,830 --> 00:20:06,880
mean poor and so on third world yeah

609
00:20:11,270 --> 00:20:09,840
yeah or uh we the entertainment loving

610
00:20:13,510 --> 00:20:11,280
people demand the best unlimited

611
00:20:14,950 --> 00:20:13,520
wireless plan ever from at t i thought i

612
00:20:16,710 --> 00:20:14,960
raised you better than to make demands

613
00:20:18,870 --> 00:20:16,720
like that you know what we want even

614
00:20:20,310 --> 00:20:18,880
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615
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616
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617
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included in our plan how about a unicorn

618
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619
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shows without paying overages good luck

620
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621
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622
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623
00:20:39,669 --> 00:20:37,200
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624
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625
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633
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634
00:21:01,110 --> 00:20:59,280
definition unless you turn it off 25

635
00:21:02,390 --> 00:21:01,120
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637
00:21:04,950 --> 00:21:03,840
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00:21:06,870 --> 00:21:04,960
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639
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640
00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:08,720
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641
00:21:13,510 --> 00:21:11,520
it's dirty uh it's hot i mean i walked

642
00:21:15,029 --> 00:21:13,520
out of my room and it took five steps

643
00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:15,039
and i was already like drenched in sweat

644
00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:16,880
yeah wow

645
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:18,480
yikes and that's right up at the in the

646
00:21:21,750 --> 00:21:20,080
haunt of africa right

647
00:21:22,950 --> 00:21:21,760
yeah it's right on the border of somalia

648
00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:22,960
so we're right there kind of at the

649
00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:25,200
front how long were you there for

650
00:21:29,190 --> 00:21:27,360
uh so i was there off and on but for six

651
00:21:30,710 --> 00:21:29,200
months straight and then i did uh kind

652
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:30,720
of in and out port visits when i was on

653
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:32,000
the ship

654
00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:33,360
and what would they call you therefore

655
00:21:36,390 --> 00:21:34,720
was there a murder or something that you

656
00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:36,400
had to look into

657
00:21:40,470 --> 00:21:38,320
yeah so i was doing uh i was assigned to

658
00:21:42,310 --> 00:21:40,480
the uss mason doing kind of piracy okay

659
00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:42,320
and so floating around doing patrols for

660
00:21:45,510 --> 00:21:43,360
pirates

661
00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:45,520
and then when i was stationed there full

662
00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:47,200
time i was on the protective detail for

663
00:21:51,750 --> 00:21:48,640
the commander so i was just basically

664
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:51,760
bodyguard okay wow and were you armed

665
00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:53,360
did you you obviously were carrying some

666
00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:55,280
kind of sidearm and weapon

667
00:21:58,789 --> 00:21:56,960
yeah absolutely we have our standard

668
00:22:01,270 --> 00:21:58,799
sidearm and then we also have uh long

669
00:22:02,390 --> 00:22:01,280
guns and automatic rifles okay and when

670
00:22:04,310 --> 00:22:02,400
you were protecting when you were the

671
00:22:05,830 --> 00:22:04,320
bodyguard for the uh ceo what were you

672
00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:05,840
what would you carry i know our audience

673
00:22:09,909 --> 00:22:07,120
would love to hear this

674
00:22:11,669 --> 00:22:09,919
sure so uh the standard pistol overseas

675
00:22:13,270 --> 00:22:11,679
is the six hour two two eight it's the

676
00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:13,280
nine millimeter version of what we carry

677
00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:16,240
are you familiar with that one no no

678
00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:18,320
commander yeah yeah fantastic weapons

679
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:19,440
become the

680
00:22:24,149 --> 00:22:22,320
standard for the coast guard navy and i

681
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:24,159
believe aside from the investigative

682
00:22:28,630 --> 00:22:26,480
service two other special units nice

683
00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:28,640
okay and then uh and how many how many

684
00:22:34,149 --> 00:22:31,440
uh how many shots does that hold

685
00:22:35,669 --> 00:22:34,159
so our mag was uh 17 plus one oh nice

686
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:35,679
okay yeah eighteen all right that

687
00:22:38,549 --> 00:22:37,200
usually gets the job done one one

688
00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:38,559
eighteen bonuses

689
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:39,840
it depends on how many jobs you gotta

690
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:41,440
get done that's true if it's one and you

691
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:43,039
have a good aim i think you know nice

692
00:22:46,230 --> 00:22:44,640
very practical answer one one i'm proud

693
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:46,240
of that that's what

694
00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:47,840
we're talking somalia we're not talking

695
00:22:52,950 --> 00:22:50,000
about you know report commander

696
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:52,960
compliments one more yeah it's like

697
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:55,840
235 those bastards over there like yeah

698
00:23:01,430 --> 00:22:57,360
they're like flies and what kind of oh

699
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:03,270
anyway um so chris uh and when you're

700
00:23:07,270 --> 00:23:05,280
talking to pirates oh i'm sorry okay not

701
00:23:09,190 --> 00:23:07,280
about the people all right no who said

702
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:09,200
that i don't know okay

703
00:23:12,549 --> 00:23:10,720
and when you carried an automatic weapon

704
00:23:15,029 --> 00:23:12,559
what what what were you carrying

705
00:23:17,669 --> 00:23:15,039
yes we had the the mark 18 which is kind

706
00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:17,679
of a smaller m4 variant and then they

707
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:20,240
have the mp5s okay all right did you

708
00:23:23,669 --> 00:23:22,000
ever have to you know open up on someone

709
00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:23,679
with one of those things

710
00:23:28,390 --> 00:23:26,240
uh unfortunately no uh but we came close

711
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:28,400
we did a boarding one time and we had

712
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:30,320
pirates that were holding uh some guys

713
00:23:33,430 --> 00:23:31,600
hostage yes

714
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:33,440
uh you know we had our guns drawn on

715
00:23:38,310 --> 00:23:36,000
them and actually the hostage pulled a

716
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:38,320
gun on one of the pirates

717
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:40,159
yeah so it was kind of a moral dilemma i

718
00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:41,520
was like do we you know can we allow

719
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:43,520
this or what are we supposed to do but

720
00:23:47,270 --> 00:23:45,360
we ended up our translator was able to

721
00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:47,280
wrestle him and take the gun away now

722
00:23:50,710 --> 00:23:49,360
what's the hostage doing with a gun and

723
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:50,720
the first thing you do is you first the

724
00:23:54,149 --> 00:23:52,880
hostage make sure he's not armed yes

725
00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:54,159
they actually had him stashed all over

726
00:23:56,470 --> 00:23:55,039
the boat

727
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:56,480
so when we separated the pirates and the

728
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:58,720
hostages uh he had a pistol right behind

729
00:24:02,310 --> 00:24:00,880
the uh the wheelhouse oh wow okay walk

730
00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:02,320
into them and we bring the pirate over

731
00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:03,760
and then the hostage actually grabs the

732
00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:06,559
gun and points it at him wow

733
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:08,159
i don't think he was happy with how he

734
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:10,159
was handled

735
00:24:13,190 --> 00:24:11,200
they're probably not exchanging

736
00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:13,200
christmas cards so you know what were

737
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:14,799
these pirates what were these characters

738
00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:16,960
like i mean were they

739
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:18,559
you know people think pirates that

740
00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:20,720
they're swashbuckling but like again i

741
00:24:24,789 --> 00:24:21,919
get a feeling that these guys run

742
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:24,799
exactly swashbuckling or were they no

743
00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:26,960
not uh yeah most of them you know just

744
00:24:31,750 --> 00:24:29,279
you know poor kids you know 17 18 years

745
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:31,760
old from somalia right and after their

746
00:24:34,950 --> 00:24:33,039
government collapsed you know when the

747
00:24:36,630 --> 00:24:34,960
fishing industry went down yeah you know

748
00:24:38,070 --> 00:24:36,640
piracy was the best option so they would

749
00:24:40,149 --> 00:24:38,080
just you know get boats and it would be

750
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:40,159
you know villages would sponsor and you

751
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:42,799
know provide food and weapons and they'd

752
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:44,640
just go out it was you know open season

753
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:46,080
so they'd you know take down these

754
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:47,440
mother ships like you know fishing

755
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:49,520
vessels yes to go further out right and

756
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:50,640
then they would take their little speed

757
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:52,640
boats and then they'd wait for a tank or

758
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:54,240
something to come along and they'd just

759
00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:57,200
open up one with aks and point rpgs wow

760
00:25:01,110 --> 00:24:59,360
and um and then you either take hostages

761
00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:01,120
to get the money back for them or they

762
00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:02,720
take the vessel back in you know try and

763
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:04,720
sell it back to the companies right so i

764
00:25:07,750 --> 00:25:06,400
mean there's a little bit of a scam

765
00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:07,760
involved in this right because and the

766
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:09,039
reason chris and i know each other is

767
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:11,039
that i was researching books on pirates

768
00:25:15,110 --> 00:25:12,720
going back and somehow we got connected

769
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:15,120
and he actually helped me do a few books

770
00:25:18,070 --> 00:25:16,320
and um

771
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:18,080
but was in their scam where there was

772
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:20,640
some insurance agency in east germany or

773
00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:21,760
something and they were always the

774
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:23,840
broker between the pirates

775
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:25,760
and the people who own the ship and

776
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:27,360
finally people who own the ship they

777
00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:29,279
just say okay you know keep the ship

778
00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:31,120
keep the ship you know we have we're you

779
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:33,200
know we have 500 of these things we

780
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:34,960
write it off as insurance you know good

781
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:36,640
luck it's it's a little leaky fix that

782
00:25:39,510 --> 00:25:38,640
maybe also and that it in that kind of

783
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:39,520
what

784
00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:41,039
when they took the money the real money

785
00:25:44,549 --> 00:25:42,640
motive away isn't that

786
00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:44,559
what kind of dried it up over there the

787
00:25:47,669 --> 00:25:46,159
pirates absolutely yeah there was a

788
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:47,679
there was always a magic number you know

789
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:49,840
the insurance companies had and so they

790
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:51,440
knew that they asked within that amount

791
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:53,520
they were going to get it and um you

792
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:55,200
know so one of the first cases i worked

793
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:56,880
was actually my way out to the boat was

794
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:59,120
the uh the sailing out quest where

795
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:00,960
special operations guys responded and we

796
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:02,880
got 13 pirates and they all got you know

797
00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:04,559
multiple life sentences in addition to

798
00:26:09,909 --> 00:26:08,080
the broker wow okay so is is um

799
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:09,919
what country were they sentenced to life

800
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:12,159
in not somalia were they it was here in

801
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:14,799
the u.s oh i see okay

802
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:17,279
vessel and so we actually uh extradited

803
00:26:21,269 --> 00:26:18,960
the pirates back here and convicted them

804
00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:21,279
in district court in virginia

805
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:23,200
talk about culture shock they brought

806
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:24,480
these guys to new york you think they'd

807
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:26,320
be enough punishment enough but so what

808
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:27,760
so where were they like in leavenworth

809
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:29,760
or something these these guys

810
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:30,640
you know i don't know where they

811
00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:32,400
actually um ended up putting them in

812
00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:33,919
federal confinement but it's a federal

813
00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:35,360
facility so it's still better than

814
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:36,880
anything they had in somalia okay all

815
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:38,000
right they're playing tennis they're

816
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:40,080
playing golf they're having uh you know

817
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:41,760
workshops and stuff

818
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:43,120
hello tv there's a facility in

819
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:45,600
portsmouth that needs some occupation

820
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:47,520
okay there you go

821
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:49,440
what do you mean by that it needs to be

822
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:51,600
put to good use oh in at the portsmouth

823
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:54,080
navy yeah yeah okay all right so you are

824
00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:55,120
um

825
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:56,799
you're actually why can't it be rehabbed

826
00:27:00,870 --> 00:26:59,039
for them okay okay so you're advocating

827
00:27:01,590 --> 00:27:00,880
bringing pirates to portsmouth

828
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:01,600
okay

829
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:06,400
they could open up a restaurant

830
00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:08,080
it would be a fish restaurant

831
00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:09,440
maybe johnny depp will show up

832
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:10,880
inadvertently and they're already in

833
00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:12,240
prison they're going man we've made it

834
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:14,000
you know we want to stay here as chris

835
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:15,039
said you know they're getting three

836
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:16,240
squares and

837
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:19,360
exercise and the last beautiful view

838
00:27:23,029 --> 00:27:21,279
and uh who's paying for that i want that

839
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:23,039
i think the smaller government i thought

840
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:25,200
i doubt it uh

841
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:28,640
that's true so is is so has the pirate

842
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:30,640
activity uh you know office somalia

843
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:35,600
chris is it is it lessened by 50 20 80

844
00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:37,840
it's definitely significantly decreased

845
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:39,600
you know i think uh you know with the

846
00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:41,120
government going back in and you know

847
00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:43,200
it's kind of tangentially following it

848
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:45,039
it's somewhat stabilized you know the

849
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:47,600
u.s forces out there uh you know kind of

850
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:49,679
they've learned our you know tactics and

851
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:51,360
it's definitely decreased

852
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:53,200
um you know i think southeast asia is

853
00:27:55,510 --> 00:27:54,240
kind of where it's starting to pick up a

854
00:27:58,149 --> 00:27:55,520
little bit more now rather than the

855
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:58,159
somali basin that's uh what i found that

856
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:59,760
was when i was given this assignment was

857
00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:00,960
you know the pirates were kind of

858
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:03,279
happening at the time off of somalia but

859
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:04,480
really the

860
00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:06,240
a lot of pirate activity takes place

861
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:08,080
between uh there's a straight that goes

862
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:09,440
between i think

863
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:12,240
indonesia and sinatra do i have that

864
00:28:15,190 --> 00:28:13,360
right you know where i'm talking about

865
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:15,200
chris that the straight where everyone

866
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:17,760
um yeah just yeah around there kind of

867
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:20,000
the philippines malaysia type area and

868
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:21,520
it's a way to japan basically it's a way

869
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:23,919
to asia okay and if you bottle up that

870
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:26,799
that waterway uh it's in big trouble

871
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:27,600
okay

872
00:28:30,389 --> 00:28:28,799
like the prices of everything goes

873
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:30,399
through the roof so they want to keep it

874
00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:31,520
open and there's a lot of pirate

875
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:33,440
activity in those there's like thousands

876
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:35,039
of islands in this part of indonesia and

877
00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:37,520
i mean thousands of them and

878
00:28:40,389 --> 00:28:38,880
and they're strange because there's

879
00:28:43,029 --> 00:28:40,399
there are houses built on them that the

880
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:43,039
houses are on stilts and basically these

881
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:44,799
people have these huge houses you know

882
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:46,240
just off up here or something it's a

883
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:48,080
very kind of odd place lots of

884
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:49,440
nightclubs and stuff even though it's a

885
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:51,279
muslim country lots of kind of

886
00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:52,799
shenanigans going on and there's a lot

887
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:54,559
of drugs and stuff moving through there

888
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:55,919
never even heard of this place you know

889
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:57,360
and i mean it's it's just one of these

890
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:58,640
things that's been happening for years

891
00:29:02,310 --> 00:29:00,720
sounds lovely

892
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:02,320
they would take a ship kill everyone i

893
00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:03,440
mean they're different from the smiley

894
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:05,120
face and correct me crystal from runs

895
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:06,480
they would just you know throw the crew

896
00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:08,480
overboard take over the ship repaint it

897
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:10,240
use it for a while sell it i mean you

898
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:11,679
know they were kind of industrious those

899
00:29:15,269 --> 00:29:13,200
guys so that stuff is picking up over

900
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:15,279
there in that part of the world

901
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:17,200
yeah i mean it's never going to be a

902
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:18,799
lack of business you know especially as

903
00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:20,399
much maritime traffic as there is and

904
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:22,399
how profitable it is right right what

905
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:24,399
you just outlined there mac is been

906
00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:26,720
going on since we've been under sale

907
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:29,039
yeah stealing the vessels

908
00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:31,200
uh repurposing retargeting in fact uh

909
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:32,640
when i would sell through there one of

910
00:29:36,710 --> 00:29:34,880
the collateral duties as an intel guy

911
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:36,720
was to take pictures as we sell them out

912
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:37,919
of the ports

913
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:39,120
because a lot of times while they were

914
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:41,120
waiting to get refit they would use the

915
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:42,960
paperwork for a vessel that was in the

916
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:44,159
pacific

917
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:46,320
for something in the south atlantic or

918
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:48,559
the indian ocean yeah sure yep so those

919
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:50,399
would go out now of course it's it's

920
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:51,919
much faster because you you know you do

921
00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:53,360
digital pictures you can practically put

922
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:56,320
it in mm-hmm

923
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:58,159
and they would um cross-check it like

924
00:30:01,750 --> 00:29:59,679
checking license plates and you'd find

925
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:01,760
out no no the uh this vessel is reported

926
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:03,440
to be uh going into south africa right

927
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:05,520
right right yeah yeah and and it's

928
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:07,600
wrong with that you know it seems like

929
00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:09,279
it's one of those things that you would

930
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:10,799
think that someone has a handle on it

931
00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:12,320
you know where every ship in the world

932
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:14,080
is at any given point but they really

933
00:30:17,669 --> 00:30:15,760
don't you know and they like see traffic

934
00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:17,679
control but they're anyone right yeah no

935
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:20,399
no we are even close to it yeah

936
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:21,840
may i add we still don't know where a

937
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:23,360
major airliner disappeared yeah there

938
00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:25,520
you go yeah okay so let's let's not

939
00:30:29,430 --> 00:30:27,440
start tossing around how it should be

940
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:29,440
let's talk about how it is uh so chris

941
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:31,360
so uh then tell us please so we're

942
00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:32,799
talking to chris who is the military

943
00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:34,559
investigator for the navy

944
00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:36,399
what what's the best place you've been

945
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:39,279
um you know you've been assigned to

946
00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:41,200
yeah tell you i always enjoyed going to

947
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:43,679
australia and new zealand okay

948
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:46,159
hardship tours there absolutely

949
00:30:48,789 --> 00:30:47,279
so

950
00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:48,799
why because they're a lot like us that

951
00:30:51,190 --> 00:30:50,240
type of thing

952
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:51,200
i mean

953
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:54,240
mean they love americans and then

954
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:56,240
obviously the ratio of males to females

955
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:59,120
yes yes oh what is that ratio

956
00:31:01,990 --> 00:31:00,000
it's like

957
00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:02,000
one or something right

958
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:03,200
there's definitely more of them than us

959
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:05,120
so it was always a good time

960
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:06,480
and you know i got to say this and i

961
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:08,080
know this is you know we'll get letters

962
00:31:13,510 --> 00:31:12,310
pound for pound i think australian girls

963
00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:13,520
are the most beautiful girls in the

964
00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:16,960
world you know have you ever seen one

965
00:31:19,510 --> 00:31:17,840
i that isn't

966
00:31:22,389 --> 00:31:19,520
it for a second in the acting field i

967
00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:22,399
haven't right they're always just uh

968
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:23,600
yeah

969
00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:25,600
i don't know i i i mean could be onto

970
00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:29,039
something i think i am you know

971
00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:30,559
more investigative and we have an

972
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:32,559
investigator on the line with us so

973
00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:34,720
uh so australia new zealand wow that's

974
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:36,080
cool that's interesting and and how

975
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:37,120
would you rate where you are now

976
00:31:40,389 --> 00:31:38,880
honolulu was it's got to be in the top

977
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:40,399
three or five right

978
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:42,320
i'd say what for weather and scenery

979
00:31:45,509 --> 00:31:43,679
it's the most beautiful place i've ever

980
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:45,519
been and now i know why it's paradise

981
00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:47,120
but uh you definitely have to pay for

982
00:31:51,909 --> 00:31:49,600
the privilege of living here

983
00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:51,919
yeah kind of expensive there so so now

984
00:31:55,029 --> 00:31:53,440
what do you do these days you're you're

985
00:31:55,909 --> 00:31:55,039
based there but what do you do these

986
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:55,919
days

987
00:31:59,669 --> 00:31:57,360
yeah so now i'm in uh just general

988
00:32:01,110 --> 00:31:59,679
crimes so i'm one of uh several

989
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:01,120
investigators that pretty much handles

990
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:03,600
anything that's not specifically family

991
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:06,640
sexual violence or counter intelligence

992
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:08,640
okay and does that come down to really

993
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:10,720
like murders and stuff like that

994
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:14,159
yeah murders drugs uh burglary a lot of

995
00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:15,919
frauds

996
00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:18,080
you know there's a new new phenomenon

997
00:32:22,549 --> 00:32:19,840
here that's going on it's uh on online

998
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:22,559
sextortion so there's these uh inmates

999
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:24,480
in south carolina or groups in the

1000
00:32:28,149 --> 00:32:26,559
philippines that you know either put out

1001
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:28,159
you know young girls on these dating

1002
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:30,000
websites okay

1003
00:32:32,549 --> 00:32:31,200
and sailors you know essentially like

1004
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:32,559
you know oh this person's interested in

1005
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:35,279
me they engage in a conversation

1006
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:37,679
you know adults do things adults do uh

1007
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:39,360
on camera

1008
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:41,200
it gets recorded and then that person

1009
00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:42,960
then reaches out and says hey i've got

1010
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:44,159
this i'm going to send it out to your

1011
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:46,240
family and friends in command unless you

1012
00:32:48,630 --> 00:32:47,840
pay me you know a thousand dollars oh

1013
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:48,640
wow

1014
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:49,919
and there are months

1015
00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:51,760
left and right right for some reason one

1016
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:54,880
one's writing furiously here

1017
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:56,960
well as the nuns used to say mac the i

1018
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:58,720
idle hands are the devil's workshop

1019
00:33:02,070 --> 00:33:00,559
that's right well yeah i guess i don't

1020
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:02,080
remember my none actually saying that

1021
00:33:06,070 --> 00:33:03,679
but i'm sure she did

1022
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:06,080
uh she was she racked your hands often

1023
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:08,159
that's right

1024
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:10,080
careful now careful yeah lots of wrong

1025
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:13,039
terms being used here no no she you know

1026
00:33:17,110 --> 00:33:14,640
it was the board of education they used

1027
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:17,120
to call it the board of education yeah

1028
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:19,679
so sister superior yes

1029
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:22,480
yeah sister sister mary elephant sister

1030
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:25,360
mary richard uh my fourth grade nun is

1031
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:29,120
called sister mary dick okay she was

1032
00:33:34,149 --> 00:33:31,760
seven feet tall easy and and about seven

1033
00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:34,159
feet wide too and she would

1034
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:35,600
see you chewing gum and screwing around

1035
00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:38,000
and walk very silently around the world

1036
00:33:41,029 --> 00:33:40,080
come down your eye and then bob boom

1037
00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:41,039
looks like you're getting hit with a

1038
00:33:44,470 --> 00:33:43,039
sledgehammer it's just a married fourth

1039
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:44,480
grade scenario we gotta bring it back

1040
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:47,519
those days yeah those are the days

1041
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:49,600
anyway so chris so so when you get a

1042
00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:51,120
murder call i mean is it simply just

1043
00:33:54,149 --> 00:33:52,720
like on tv where the phone will ring

1044
00:33:55,509 --> 00:33:54,159
you'll pick it up someone say hey

1045
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:55,519
there's been a murder down at the docks

1046
00:34:00,389 --> 00:33:58,080
it looks like a sailor type thing

1047
00:34:02,549 --> 00:34:00,399
yeah so um we get notifications from all

1048
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:02,559
different types a lot of times the first

1049
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:05,360
responders will be the base police

1050
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:07,120
happens on base so they'll call us

1051
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:08,800
they'll have a watch commander okay and

1052
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:10,480
we have a duty agent so there's always

1053
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:13,040
an agent who's 100 on call you know at

1054
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:15,119
night weekends and they'll usually call

1055
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:16,800
that number and you know tell us

1056
00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:18,320
basically you know the information we

1057
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:20,240
always get is wrong when we first get it

1058
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:21,359
so you know we show up and then it's

1059
00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:22,560
something completely different well

1060
00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:24,000
isn't that weird huh

1061
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:25,599
yeah so we speak all right so we just

1062
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:26,879
prepared a role you know no matter what

1063
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:28,480
we've got a major case response team

1064
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:30,560
that's always on standby yes and so

1065
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:31,760
there's the guys in the vans with the

1066
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:34,800
forensics and so the duty agent and you

1067
00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:36,720
know usually a mcrt member will go out

1068
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:38,480
first and assess what it is and then

1069
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:40,320
calling the rest of the team you know to

1070
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:42,000
go to find out resources and kind of

1071
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:43,679
surge

1072
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:46,000
do how many murders uh do you solve

1073
00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:48,240
what's the percentage

1074
00:34:52,069 --> 00:34:50,720
i'd like to say it's 100 but uh it's

1075
00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:52,079
probably less you know it depends on

1076
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:54,480
where it happens um if it's on base and

1077
00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:56,560
it's military on military we usually

1078
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:58,160
have a better ratio of solving it

1079
00:35:01,829 --> 00:35:00,240
because it's a smaller community

1080
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:01,839
you know they can contain it right away

1081
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:03,359
you know on an island there's not a lot

1082
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:05,119
of places they can go right

1083
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:06,960
um but if it happens out in town you

1084
00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:08,240
know it's something that we work jointly

1085
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:09,760
with the locals or in you know bigger

1086
00:35:14,069 --> 00:35:12,240
cities where it might be a random crime

1087
00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:14,079
or you know it could gang affiliated or

1088
00:35:18,790 --> 00:35:16,160
drive by those are obviously harder to

1089
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:18,800
harder to solve right and and it does it

1090
00:35:23,349 --> 00:35:20,640
always have to involve someone in the

1091
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:23,359
military to call you guys in

1092
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:24,960
yes yeah we have to have a nexus so

1093
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:26,960
either a military victim or a military

1094
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:29,280
offender okay or the military in general

1095
00:35:33,750 --> 00:35:31,520
so okay all right

1096
00:35:35,670 --> 00:35:33,760
okay so i got one quick question for you

1097
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:35,680
with the with the change that's been

1098
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:37,839
going on with the opioid crisis there's

1099
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:39,839
a lot of talk uh within the intel

1100
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:42,240
community that this is an outgrowth of

1101
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:43,440
the stuff that's coming out of

1102
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:44,960
afghanistan

1103
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:46,800
and that the military has really been

1104
00:35:51,510 --> 00:35:49,280
hard uh targeted for it um i'm not

1105
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:51,520
seeing that what what's your experience

1106
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:52,560
with that

1107
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:54,880
so there there's certainly uh a nexus

1108
00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:56,640
with that i mean obviously the the

1109
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:58,880
sailors and marines have more exposure

1110
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:00,000
than people as far as being able to

1111
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:02,800
travel there you know deploy uh military

1112
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:04,240
transports

1113
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:06,720
um you know we're certain meth is a big

1114
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:08,480
problem you know people are making that

1115
00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:09,599
on their own because that doesn't

1116
00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:11,599
require a whole lot

1117
00:36:14,950 --> 00:36:12,800
you know the prescription drugs has

1118
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:14,960
always been a problem uh the synthetics

1119
00:36:19,270 --> 00:36:17,040
you know spice and bath salts and those

1120
00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:19,280
kind of things yes um but you know we

1121
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:20,720
definitely you know certain cases more

1122
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:23,440
so with with other branches kind of uh

1123
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:25,040
make a commercial endeavor to you know

1124
00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:26,800
smuggle out some of the drugs or do some

1125
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:31,829
drugs behind

1126
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:34,079
most of the crimes or half of the crimes

1127
00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:35,119
or

1128
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:36,800
uh i would say you know it depends on

1129
00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:38,640
the type of crime you know between like

1130
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:39,760
the different services like with the

1131
00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:42,079
marine corps you find a more violent

1132
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:44,320
crime okay uh typically you know fueled

1133
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:46,240
by passion you know for the moment kind

1134
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:47,440
of thing yep

1135
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:49,440
uh the navy you know tends to be a

1136
00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:51,119
little bit more um

1137
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:52,000
uh

1138
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:52,800
say

1139
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:55,040
even tempered than the jaw heads

1140
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:57,040
yeah different different you know levels

1141
00:37:00,150 --> 00:36:58,800
of types of crime so you know obviously

1142
00:37:01,430 --> 00:37:00,160
air force coast guard they all have

1143
00:37:03,109 --> 00:37:01,440
their own

1144
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:03,119
communities um

1145
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:04,560
but you know definitely anytime we're

1146
00:37:08,069 --> 00:37:06,320
concentrated around a marine base or a

1147
00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:08,079
fleet you know concentration area you

1148
00:37:12,150 --> 00:37:10,640
know pearl harbor yokosuka japan norfolk

1149
00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:12,160
we see a lot more you know violent

1150
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:14,320
crimes right

1151
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:16,000
does it ever get you down you know what

1152
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:18,640
i mean never get you depressed

1153
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:20,640
it does you know

1154
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:22,240
especially when you're working uh you

1155
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:23,280
know certain types of crimes crimes

1156
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:26,160
against children you know innocence

1157
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:27,680
that's what really you know you feel for

1158
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:29,280
it because you talk to the families you

1159
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:30,960
talk to the survivors

1160
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:32,720
and you know they have to for us it's

1161
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:34,240
another case you know i've got a stack

1162
00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:35,680
on my desk and i move on the next day

1163
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:37,359
but you know they have to live with it

1164
00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:38,960
yeah and when you're in a relationship

1165
00:37:43,109 --> 00:37:40,400
with you know parents of someone who's

1166
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:43,119
you know child has been killed

1167
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:44,480
then it's it's really hard because you

1168
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:45,839
know they call you you know for

1169
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:47,520
everything for updates

1170
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:49,520
and uh you know but it makes it

1171
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:50,720
worthwhile

1172
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:51,920
all by the you know the flip side

1173
00:37:55,510 --> 00:37:53,920
because you can resolve it and get them

1174
00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:55,520
justice and kind of give them peace and

1175
00:38:00,069 --> 00:37:57,599
you're a part of that right right and is

1176
00:38:01,670 --> 00:38:00,079
does do you get justice as much as you

1177
00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:01,680
hope you can if you know what i mean

1178
00:38:06,069 --> 00:38:03,760
because i know getting justice is is

1179
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:06,079
kind of hard these days as well you know

1180
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:07,520
and getting someone arrested and stuff

1181
00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:08,640
that's why you're in the courts of

1182
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:10,480
appeal yeah and that and the lawyers i

1183
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:11,920
mean you know what what's this what's

1184
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:14,160
the standing of justice these days is it

1185
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:15,680
good bad

1186
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:17,440
yeah you know it's different you know i

1187
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:18,960
started off with department of justice

1188
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:20,720
you know dea and you know we work with

1189
00:38:23,910 --> 00:38:22,240
the us attorney's office and states and

1190
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:23,920
local and then when it came to ncis

1191
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:26,240
we've got the ucmj so we've got the

1192
00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:27,599
uniform code of military justice at the

1193
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:29,440
military justice system which is

1194
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:30,880
completely different you know we've got

1195
00:38:35,589 --> 00:38:33,599
commanding officers who now essentially

1196
00:38:38,069 --> 00:38:35,599
decide what happens so you can have a

1197
00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:38,079
sentence and then it's up to the co to

1198
00:38:41,670 --> 00:38:40,160
decide you know whether to go forward or

1199
00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:41,680
not and whether to convene a court

1200
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:42,880
martial at all

1201
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:44,560
and uh you know so that's that was the

1202
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:46,800
biggest thing getting used to right i

1203
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:49,040
mean can they be swayed by you know a

1204
00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:51,280
bottle of jack daniels or something or

1205
00:38:54,550 --> 00:38:52,960
are they above all that

1206
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:54,560
well i think you know especially now

1207
00:38:57,510 --> 00:38:55,760
with the media and congressional

1208
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:57,520
inquiries you know it can mean the end

1209
00:39:03,670 --> 00:39:00,480
of their career so you know the tendency

1210
00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:03,680
to be more you know conservative and and

1211
00:39:06,790 --> 00:39:04,960
risk-averse

1212
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:06,800
is certainly prevalent

1213
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:08,240
right i would say it's just the opposite

1214
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:09,599
nowadays mac

1215
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:12,240
no one is taking the the chance of any

1216
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:14,960
there is no leniency really okay oh yeah

1217
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:16,880
i could see that yep absolutely not

1218
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:19,200
swinging not today's military uh chris

1219
00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:20,880
with the uh guys that you invest ever

1220
00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:22,480
investigate someone in the coast guard

1221
00:39:27,030 --> 00:39:25,280
or do they have a certain pattern of uh

1222
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:27,040
behavior of criminality

1223
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:28,640
just don't bring up my file okay that's

1224
00:39:32,150 --> 00:39:29,760
always all right that's good that was

1225
00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:32,160
what we were so sensitive

1226
00:39:35,109 --> 00:39:33,680
all right yeah we actually coast guard

1227
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:35,119
has their own investigative service okay

1228
00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:36,720
they actually go to the ncis training

1229
00:39:40,390 --> 00:39:38,320
academy okay

1230
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:40,400
a lot of ncis agents will be reserved

1231
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:41,440
coast guard so they'll get their

1232
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:43,359
military time and they essentially just

1233
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:44,560
you know sit at their desks and work

1234
00:39:46,870 --> 00:39:45,760
case coast guard cases when they're

1235
00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:46,880
activated

1236
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:48,880
and do coast guard members themselves do

1237
00:39:53,589 --> 00:39:51,200
they display some you know a particular

1238
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:53,599
kind of as i said before criminality do

1239
00:39:58,150 --> 00:39:56,400
they do weird crimes are they i'd say

1240
00:39:59,670 --> 00:39:58,160
it's similar similar to the navy but you

1241
00:40:01,430 --> 00:39:59,680
know um

1242
00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:01,440
they tend to be more

1243
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:02,640
law enforcement focused you know in

1244
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:04,000
their mission you know they're doing

1245
00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:05,200
similar with us you know homeland

1246
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:07,280
security and you know drug interdictions

1247
00:40:10,310 --> 00:40:08,240
right

1248
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:10,320
so you know they tend to be a little bit

1249
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:11,839
more mature and

1250
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:12,720
you know obviously there's always

1251
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:14,560
outliers and there's situations but uh i

1252
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:16,400
mean overall i say that you know we

1253
00:40:18,710 --> 00:40:17,359
don't have a whole lot of issues with

1254
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:18,720
them right keep sticking your hand

1255
00:40:22,630 --> 00:40:21,040
between the bars max yeah

1256
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:22,640
i think this is god's way telling me you

1257
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:24,800
know move on you know

1258
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:26,880
so so how long are you going to do this

1259
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:29,119
chris

1260
00:40:33,030 --> 00:40:31,040
well i hope you're making a career okay

1261
00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:33,040
and how long how long have you been to

1262
00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:35,839
ncis now these days eight years

1263
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:37,920
yeah nine years for ncis and then i did

1264
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:40,480
three dea and then uh you know i can go

1265
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:43,200
until i'm 57 i can get out as soon as

1266
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:45,119
i'm 50. so i've got how old are you now

1267
00:40:48,150 --> 00:40:47,040
how old are you

1268
00:40:50,310 --> 00:40:48,160
35

1269
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:50,320
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1270
00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:52,160
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1271
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:54,079
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1272
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:55,760
better than to make demands like that

1273
00:40:59,510 --> 00:40:57,200
you know what we want even more than

1274
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:59,520
that we want att to give us unlimited

1275
00:41:03,190 --> 00:41:00,720
entertainment what else do you want a

1276
00:41:05,109 --> 00:41:03,200
flying car well maybe hbo included in

1277
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:05,119
our plan how about a unicorn and we want

1278
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:06,560
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1279
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:08,400
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1280
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:10,240
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1281
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:12,640
25 on our monthly direct tv bill but you

1282
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:14,480
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1283
00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:15,760
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1284
00:41:19,829 --> 00:41:17,440
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1285
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:19,839
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1286
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:22,079
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1287
00:41:26,550 --> 00:41:24,560
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1288
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:26,560
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1289
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:28,800
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1290
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:31,040
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1291
00:41:35,349 --> 00:41:33,599
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1292
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:35,359
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1293
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:36,720
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1294
00:41:39,430 --> 00:41:37,760
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1295
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:39,440
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1296
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:41,280
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1297
00:41:43,990 --> 00:41:42,640
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1298
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:44,000
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1299
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:45,200
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1300
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:47,040
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1301
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:48,720
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1302
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:50,640
you get a lot of fun ahead of time he's

1303
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:52,480
got a whole career here yeah oh man that

1304
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:55,040
sounds good and does the the the show is

1305
00:41:58,950 --> 00:41:56,480
there a uh

1306
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:58,960
ncaa advisor on the show that would be a

1307
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:00,800
huge buck yeah

1308
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:04,880
the shows depict your services

1309
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:06,480
no i'm actually i'm a super fan of the

1310
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:08,160
show there's a lot of agents who don't

1311
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:10,480
like it but it's been great for us

1312
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:12,160
is it accurate as far as the depiction

1313
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:13,440
of what you do

1314
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:15,440
um it's certainly a hollywood uh you

1315
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:17,280
know aspect of it they glamorize it they

1316
00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:18,960
condense everything obviously to an hour

1317
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:20,560
and they solve everything

1318
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:23,040
but the writers are work real well with

1319
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:25,440
us and they'll take real cases there you

1320
00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:26,160
go

1321
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:31,040
episodes on that in in in your office

1322
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:33,040
are there two and a half hot chicks in

1323
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:35,599
the office because that's the ratio

1324
00:42:44,230 --> 00:42:40,309
long arm of the law has caught up and

1325
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:46,069
anyway hey chris thanks for joining us

1326
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:47,520
man this has been great we could come on

1327
00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:49,359
forever and maybe later

1328
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:51,440
told mack to wrap it up that's nice when

1329
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:52,960
he got to the hot chicks yeah just not

1330
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:54,640
mountain no you're imagining that again

1331
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,400
and there's uh blue lights on a

1332
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:58,560
camouflage vehicle yeah too yeah really

1333
00:43:02,230 --> 00:43:00,640
no problem there that's funny i swear to

1334
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:02,240
god some girl in the coast guard just

1335
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:03,760
walked by the window go look at her let

1336
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:05,520
me see quick here go one one here he

1337
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:07,200
goes way over look to your left your

1338
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:11,040
left way over way over oh yeah yeah see

1339
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:13,359
got she's got uh she's got a blue outfit

1340
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:15,520
on that's called cap she had the little

1341
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:18,079
finger pants yeah she's got a uniform on

1342
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:19,760
freud would have called not freud

1343
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:22,240
synchronicity that's right um and

1344
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:24,400
tattoos on both arms

1345
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:26,160
wow yeah okay forgot your touch you

1346
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:27,440
might be into that

1347
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:28,480
chris thank you yeah it's called the

1348
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:30,800
uniform cobra i know it but it's like uh

1349
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:32,160
hmm yeah

1350
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:34,400
it's all blue okay you guys marching out

1351
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:36,000
in the uh driveway the other day with

1352
00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:37,839
with golf clubs right

1353
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:40,240
reading your calls about that chris

1354
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:42,079
thank you very much for joining us

1355
00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:43,440
yeah my pleasure thank you it went by

1356
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:44,960
real quick we got to do it again soon

1357
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:47,359
okay i mean

1358
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:48,960
another segment easy thanks for your

1359
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:49,839
help

1360
00:43:53,190 --> 00:43:51,599
way back then way back when with the

1361
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:53,200
pirate hunters i appreciate that too as

1362
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:55,040
well christian you get a chance to have

1363
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:57,359
a brew for me down at dukes

1364
00:44:03,109 --> 00:43:59,359
i sure will thanks

1365
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:03,119
okay chris ah from the real ncis

1366
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:05,839
navy investigative service he just

1367
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:07,520
happens to be

1368
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:09,119
um what do you call it when someone when

1369
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:10,880
you go somewhere you order to stay you

1370
00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:13,520
know that's your boarded or your well in

1371
00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:15,359
in navy terms are well it's your duty

1372
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:16,160
station

1373
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:17,680
and then there's like me

1374
00:44:21,430 --> 00:44:20,160
temporary additional duty taxes they get

1375
00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:21,440
paid more when they sent me to

1376
00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:22,720
charlestown yeah

1377
00:44:25,349 --> 00:44:24,400
yeah you're all better from around the

1378
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:25,359
house right

1379
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:27,040
i took the i took the train home every

1380
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:28,960
day there you go okay well hey at least

1381
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:31,200
you're not up in tully greenland

1382
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:32,480
if someone told me once that that's

1383
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:34,079
where all the kind of screw up school

1384
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:35,599
did you ever go there chris you've never

1385
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:37,200
been there have you ever made it out

1386
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:38,960
there yet yeah uh cobra were you

1387
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:40,880
assigned there at any point yeah i bet

1388
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:41,760
but i've been through that part of the

1389
00:44:46,230 --> 00:44:43,839
world okay is it true that all the kind

1390
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:46,240
of people they can't hear why not it's

1391
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:48,960
not as nearly as romanticized as it used

1392
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:51,280
to be okay all right good to know

1393
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:52,160
but

1394
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:53,440
taking the air out of the bit a little

1395
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:54,319
bit

1396
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:55,760
chris for the fifth time thank you for

1397
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:57,200
joining us we'll do it again real soon

1398
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:59,760
okay we know chris is going to and yeah

1399
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:01,680
and thanks for uh your service i mean

1400
00:45:05,750 --> 00:45:03,760
he's in honolulu though i feel like

1401
00:45:07,750 --> 00:45:05,760
he'll be out of luau pretty soon

1402
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:07,760
yeah okay every night all right and when

1403
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:09,200
he gets sick of honolulu who goes down

1404
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:10,960
to australia i mean

1405
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:12,319
they should make a tv show about you

1406
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:13,520
there my friend

1407
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:14,640
there you go

1408
00:45:18,550 --> 00:45:15,839
thanks chris we'll talk to you soon

1409
00:45:19,990 --> 00:45:18,560
thank you so much great job thank you

1410
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:20,000
yes okay

1411
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:21,119
wow

1412
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:23,280
we will take a commercial break now and

1413
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:25,040
calm down here you'll listen you know

1414
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:27,119
i'll tell you mac and now i know

1415
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:28,880
why pirate hunters was so good there you

1416
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:30,800
go yeah you got a great source there you

1417
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:33,119
did did you right really good

1418
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:34,720
uh let's take a commercial break right

1419
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:36,960
now we're right back after this hang on

1420
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:39,680
ufos are found in renaissance art on

1421
00:45:45,190 --> 00:45:42,880
ancient coins and etched on cave walls

1422
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:45,200
they are even reported in the bible

1423
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:47,359
but more surprising is when ufos are

1424
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:48,720
seen the most

1425
00:45:53,430 --> 00:45:51,520
in times of war

1426
00:45:55,109 --> 00:45:53,440
through centuries thousands of ufo

1427
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:55,119
sightings have been made by high-ranking

1428
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:57,520
officials military pilots and ordinary

1429
00:46:01,990 --> 00:46:00,000
soldiers often these fantastic

1430
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:02,000
appearances occur at the height of great

1431
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:03,200
battles

1432
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:05,920
from world war one to d-day to korea

1433
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:08,240
vietnam and beyond military

1434
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:10,800
investigators are baffled why do ufo

1435
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:12,560
sightings spike so drastically during

1436
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:13,680
wartime

1437
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:15,839
could it be mistaken aircraft or is

1438
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:19,599
someone or something looking in on us

1439
00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:22,160
in ufos in wartime what they didn't want

1440
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:24,000
you to know mac maloney chronicles

1441
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:25,680
centuries of these incredible sightings

1442
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:27,599
and tries to solve the puzzle of why so

1443
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:30,079
many ufos are seen while humanity is at

1444
00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:31,359
war

1445
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:33,280
read about the scare ships the ghost

1446
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:35,920
planes and the ghost rockets alien

1447
00:46:41,910 --> 00:46:38,800
giants in the jungles of vietnam ufos

1448
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:41,920
controlling our icbm bases dogfights

1449
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:43,920
with flying saucers during the gulf war

1450
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:45,119
and more

1451
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:48,560
300 pages of unbelievable stories along

1452
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:50,960
with many startling photographs that's

1453
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:53,520
ufos and wartime what they didn't want

1454
00:47:01,210 --> 00:46:56,160
you to know by mac maloney on sale at

1455
00:47:01,220 --> 00:47:16,470
[Music]

1456
00:47:20,950 --> 00:47:18,390
i'm liam neeson you're listening to the

1457
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:20,960
mac maloney military x-file show on

1458
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:23,200
distant thunder radio network if you

1459
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:25,359
don't listen to him i have a particular

1460
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:31,430
hey welcome back everyone to macaroni's

1461
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:33,520
military exile show here on the distant

1462
00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:35,520
thunder radio network this is mac

1463
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:37,920
maloney okay one one yes wait a minute

1464
00:47:42,390 --> 00:47:40,319
wait wait wait wait wait wait wait

1465
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:42,400
that's not very endearing

1466
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:44,480
you normally do it i don't know i got a

1467
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:46,160
complaint and uh

1468
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:47,520
you know and now i have to change my

1469
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:49,280
ways apparently no i'm sorry i'm i'm

1470
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:51,680
waving a flag here and it says bs on it

1471
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:53,280
okay okay do it the way do it the way

1472
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:54,720
you do it and this time you know what

1473
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:56,720
listeners we're going to do it mac

1474
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:58,079
maloney and we're going to have them

1475
00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:00,400
back to it the other way write us at the

1476
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:02,800
website and let us know

1477
00:48:06,309 --> 00:48:04,319
which one you want okay

1478
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:06,319
all right and i don't want one one to do

1479
00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:07,520
it you're gonna wrangle this all right

1480
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:09,040
first uh

1481
00:48:12,710 --> 00:48:10,960
commander all the emails that are gonna

1482
00:48:14,550 --> 00:48:12,720
i will yield that's a great commander

1483
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:14,560
cobra on this one

1484
00:48:19,829 --> 00:48:17,119
in this timeless segment

1485
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:19,839
juan juan is here and the commander

1486
00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:21,599
that's right and unfortunately we're not

1487
00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:22,880
in the same building because it would be

1488
00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:24,640
at fistico we're not even in possibly

1489
00:48:27,190 --> 00:48:26,400
the same hemisphere good for you all

1490
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:27,200
right

1491
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:29,760
okay you know you know he always acts up

1492
00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:31,119
around this time of the show when i'm

1493
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:38,230
uh but we're doing a special report

1494
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:40,880
because uh this just in from our uh

1495
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:42,480
correspondent down there in dallas so

1496
00:48:46,549 --> 00:48:44,960
war was boring warsborne.com

1497
00:48:47,589 --> 00:48:46,559
the best military writing on the

1498
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:47,599
internet

1499
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:48,880
rob beckhausen how are you doing there

1500
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:50,000
tonight rob

1501
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:51,599
i'm pretty good okay

1502
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:53,280
pretty good off this

1503
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:54,640
pretty good

1504
00:49:00,309 --> 00:48:57,599
what you can yeah you know it's pretty

1505
00:49:02,150 --> 00:49:00,319
you know yeah it's hot it's okay just

1506
00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:02,160
make sure you hope a tornado doesn't

1507
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:03,920
come because as we know someone hacked

1508
00:49:08,790 --> 00:49:07,040
the tornado sirens not in dallas so

1509
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:08,800
anyway that's such a good story i love

1510
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:09,520
it

1511
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:14,880
thought we were under like a nuclear

1512
00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:17,359
attack because all 200 of them went off

1513
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:18,400
at night

1514
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:20,160
and it was clear it had clear skies too

1515
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:22,400
so yeah okay

1516
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:26,400
okay hackers yes yeah okay not nukes

1517
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:28,640
right right this time you know what i

1518
00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:32,160
mean anyway yeah uh so you told us off

1519
00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:33,760
yeah that you're reading a story it's

1520
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:35,839
kind of um and humorous but just

1521
00:49:39,270 --> 00:49:37,440
interesting in the way of the world

1522
00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:39,280
these days tell us about this shipment

1523
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:42,640
of arms you've heard about oh yeah so um

1524
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:44,400
yeah recently came across this

1525
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:46,240
arm ship it was it's been rumored for

1526
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:48,000
years but the ukrainian government made

1527
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:49,359
it official because they're reporting it

1528
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:51,200
to the united nations you know

1529
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:53,680
arms register of conventional arms which

1530
00:49:59,829 --> 00:49:55,440
tracks arms shipments where they were

1531
00:50:01,190 --> 00:49:59,839
shipping uh about 25 t-64

1532
00:50:01,910 --> 00:50:01,200
uh tanks

1533
00:50:04,549 --> 00:50:01,920
to

1534
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:04,559
uh the democratic republic of congo

1535
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:07,119
which is an interesting um little kind

1536
00:50:11,829 --> 00:50:09,280
of blip that came up so i mentioned it

1537
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:11,839
offhand and

1538
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:15,680
you sound interested in it i mean the um

1539
00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:18,400
african weapon shipments are

1540
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:20,800
you know often neglected or they don't

1541
00:50:25,750 --> 00:50:22,880
get a lot of attention okay um but you

1542
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:25,760
also get a lot of you know interesting

1543
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:27,920
weapons circulating in these in these

1544
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:29,839
in these um in these countries and in

1545
00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:32,960
these conflicts as we know the drc is um

1546
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:33,920
you know it's

1547
00:50:37,270 --> 00:50:35,680
the largest country in africa and it's

1548
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:37,280
been involved in

1549
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:38,800
you know numerous

1550
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:40,800
you know ongoing armed conflicts right

1551
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:43,520
dating back many years

1552
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:45,760
what can a tank do in the in

1553
00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:48,400
you know in the jungle

1554
00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:50,319
well i mean you know not all of the drc

1555
00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:51,760
is jungle um

1556
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:53,359
but you know there are i mean they do

1557
00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:55,119
they have used them in

1558
00:50:59,030 --> 00:50:57,520
uh well

1559
00:51:02,069 --> 00:50:59,040
are they still the status symbol that

1560
00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:02,079
they have been in the past for tanks

1561
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:04,240
do they still provide that psychological

1562
00:51:07,910 --> 00:51:06,480
edge i think so i mean if you're taking

1563
00:51:09,750 --> 00:51:07,920
over a village or a town or something

1564
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:09,760
you know if a bunch of tanks roll in you

1565
00:51:12,870 --> 00:51:11,760
tend to behave yourself

1566
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:12,880
well the other part of it is they don't

1567
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:16,480
have a lot of counter tank capability

1568
00:51:20,549 --> 00:51:19,119
so if you have a larger newer tank uh

1569
00:51:21,910 --> 00:51:20,559
you know the rpg and other things out

1570
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:21,920
there reactive armor things that are out

1571
00:51:26,069 --> 00:51:23,920
there uh are not going to do that and

1572
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:26,079
they don't generally carry uh have good

1573
00:51:28,630 --> 00:51:27,599
aircraft air support that's going to

1574
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:28,640
allow that

1575
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:31,040
so you you know with not a lot of buy-in

1576
00:51:36,549 --> 00:51:33,599
you have a small number of functioning

1577
00:51:38,790 --> 00:51:36,559
tanks you can control a large part of uh

1578
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:38,800
of roadways and terrain

1579
00:51:45,510 --> 00:51:39,920
right

1580
00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:45,520
on that the t-64 um you know it's a it's

1581
00:52:08,470 --> 00:51:46,319
a

1582
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:08,480
people in the western world tend to

1583
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:10,800
look down on some of these insurgent

1584
00:52:13,829 --> 00:52:12,480
groups they say oh they're just running

1585
00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:13,839
out in the open you know when they see

1586
00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:16,400
these soldiers running in the street

1587
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:19,200
often is that the um the idea is is

1588
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:21,440
everybody just kind of throws lead in

1589
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:23,760
the general direction of the enemy until

1590
00:52:27,910 --> 00:52:25,839
the other side uh

1591
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:27,920
uh is pushed back and then you push

1592
00:52:31,109 --> 00:52:29,520
forward and it kind of get gets pushed

1593
00:52:33,750 --> 00:52:31,119
forward and back in these yeah like i

1594
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:33,760
said a big shoving match right and um

1595
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:36,160
tanks can serve that purpose and don't

1596
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:37,359
underestimate it either i mean there

1597
00:52:41,589 --> 00:52:39,359
have been you know western forces that

1598
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:41,599
have gone into

1599
00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:43,440
africa and faced

1600
00:52:47,109 --> 00:52:44,640
uh

1601
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:47,119
enemies that fight in this style and if

1602
00:52:51,910 --> 00:52:47,839
it's

1603
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:51,920
somalia as an example right true you

1604
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:54,720
know there been other cases where

1605
00:53:00,390 --> 00:52:58,079
um you know british british troops in

1606
00:53:02,309 --> 00:53:00,400
i believe liberia

1607
00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:02,319
i don't know if i have that right um in

1608
00:53:06,309 --> 00:53:04,720
the late 90s uh where they you know

1609
00:53:08,630 --> 00:53:06,319
suffered some casualties from a group

1610
00:53:10,710 --> 00:53:08,640
that was really teenagers

1611
00:53:12,309 --> 00:53:10,720
that fought in that manner so look at

1612
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:12,319
chad

1613
00:53:17,109 --> 00:53:15,119
not the movie yeah the country you know

1614
00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:17,119
they had the uh civil war and like in

1615
00:53:20,470 --> 00:53:19,119
some of those cases the french went in

1616
00:53:22,150 --> 00:53:20,480
there and you know

1617
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:22,160
they got hurt

1618
00:53:26,069 --> 00:53:23,920
well the uh the chattings were really

1619
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:26,079
some of the most innovative um you know

1620
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:28,480
in uh

1621
00:53:32,950 --> 00:53:30,960
combatants and on the continent where uh

1622
00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:32,960
you know a lot a lot in a lot of cases

1623
00:53:36,309 --> 00:53:34,720
and during the sol uh the cold war the

1624
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:36,319
soviet union would

1625
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:39,599
try to build up these friendly uh

1626
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:40,960
uh

1627
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:42,640
governments in africa right build up

1628
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:44,960
their armies along soviet lines

1629
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:47,119
uh which never quite work you know we've

1630
00:53:50,950 --> 00:53:48,240
given them these big heavy armored

1631
00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:50,960
vehicles um you know which are useful

1632
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:53,119
but the chadians use light pickup trucks

1633
00:54:02,390 --> 00:54:00,069
apply them to their traditional uh war

1634
00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:02,400
fighting doctrine which was uh you know

1635
00:54:06,309 --> 00:54:04,480
based on raiding parties okay that's

1636
00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:06,319
traditionally how people in this uh

1637
00:54:10,470 --> 00:54:08,000
sahalian region

1638
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:10,480
um you know the the

1639
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:13,440
uh the desert region

1640
00:54:17,589 --> 00:54:16,079
uh between north and sub-saharan africa

1641
00:54:19,589 --> 00:54:17,599
have fought you know it's these lightly

1642
00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:19,599
armed fast-moving raiding parties right

1643
00:54:23,190 --> 00:54:21,680
right and so it's a very modern spin on

1644
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:23,200
a very ancient style of warfare what

1645
00:54:27,670 --> 00:54:25,760
what a what a crazy place to live you

1646
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:27,680
know what i mean i mean it really is the

1647
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:28,720
drc

1648
00:54:32,950 --> 00:54:30,720
well no just just like all of africa

1649
00:54:35,750 --> 00:54:32,960
frankly you know i mean

1650
00:54:37,829 --> 00:54:35,760
it's just in in it seems like the same

1651
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:37,839
problems as you're saying you know that

1652
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:39,520
the congo is just like constantly in

1653
00:54:44,950 --> 00:54:42,240
these like little walls you know it they

1654
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:44,960
never end they never end you know and

1655
00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:46,720
people i know have gone to nigeria which

1656
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:48,640
a lot of people say is actually you know

1657
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:50,400
the most uh i don't want to use the word

1658
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:52,400
civilized but the most

1659
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:54,480
un-african of countries supposedly you

1660
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:55,920
need to drive along with his bodies you

1661
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:58,079
know alongside the road and stuff and

1662
00:55:02,309 --> 00:55:00,480
yeah i i mean i can't imagine anyone

1663
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:02,319
going there and our friend chris is he

1664
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:05,040
named like 14 countries that he was

1665
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:06,960
in africa some people like it you know

1666
00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:08,240
have you ever been there but if i've

1667
00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:10,160
been anywhere close to it

1668
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:12,079
no i've never been to africa uh david

1669
00:55:16,150 --> 00:55:14,240
axe who's my editor was boring has been

1670
00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:16,160
there several times have you been there

1671
00:55:19,109 --> 00:55:17,119
he's been

1672
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:19,119
yes uh egypt

1673
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:20,400
uh morocco

1674
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:23,200
yes uh some interesting uh activities on

1675
00:55:27,750 --> 00:55:25,200
both ends of that part of the continent

1676
00:55:30,870 --> 00:55:27,760
but uh classical africa uh the

1677
00:55:32,549 --> 00:55:30,880
sub-saharan uh portion of it uh not much

1678
00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:32,559
got close almost went to south africa

1679
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:35,280
but didn't get to get to make that trip

1680
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:36,400
we've published some reporting from

1681
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:38,880
there i mean we've done the drc somalia

1682
00:55:44,790 --> 00:55:40,319
um chad

1683
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:44,800
uh dave um he was kidnapped in chad

1684
00:55:49,349 --> 00:55:46,400
by some retreating

1685
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:49,359
government child soldiers really yeah um

1686
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:51,680
yeah and a couple years ago uh yeah he

1687
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:53,440
asked you guys for a ransom and you said

1688
00:56:01,510 --> 00:55:54,640
no

1689
00:56:03,349 --> 00:56:01,520
and held briefly and then the soldier um

1690
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:03,359
demanded his clothes

1691
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:05,680
because he was deserting from the army

1692
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:07,520
oh and then one of the clothes won the

1693
00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:10,000
threads baby gave him the clothes and he

1694
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:11,520
wanted to blend in to the civilian

1695
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:13,200
population and then

1696
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:15,119
took off and then the next day

1697
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:16,880
there was a knock on his on his door at

1698
00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:17,760
the

1699
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:20,319
house he was staying at and uh

1700
00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:22,160
and after he had gotten back home and

1701
00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:23,599
there was a um

1702
00:56:28,549 --> 00:56:25,920
the the the soldier he was probably no

1703
00:56:30,309 --> 00:56:28,559
older than 16 and his father who it came

1704
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:30,319
to apologize give him his clothes back

1705
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:31,200
wow

1706
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:33,040
this was interesting but it all started

1707
00:56:37,270 --> 00:56:35,440
like a lifetime movie to me

1708
00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:37,280
yeah so he was in a town called

1709
00:56:39,990 --> 00:56:38,240
i don't know if we're going over time

1710
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:40,000
but he was in a town called abc which is

1711
00:56:44,309 --> 00:56:41,599
in eastern chad

1712
00:56:45,510 --> 00:56:44,319
near darfur and um at night the

1713
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:45,520
government

1714
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:48,720
uh soldiers occupying the town

1715
00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:50,319
began firing

1716
00:56:54,150 --> 00:56:52,480
uh into the night and uh

1717
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:54,160
it wasn't clear whether still to this

1718
00:56:57,750 --> 00:56:55,440
day whether it was a rebel attack or

1719
00:56:59,829 --> 00:56:57,760
whether the soldiers were confused wow

1720
00:57:02,230 --> 00:56:59,839
and you know friendly fire and it just

1721
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:02,240
escalated to a point where you know

1722
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:04,160
a big portion of the government forces

1723
00:57:08,710 --> 00:57:06,640
the town deserted in panic wow and he

1724
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:08,720
got wrapped up in it sounds like that

1725
00:57:12,549 --> 00:57:10,240
that's sounds like chelsea on a good

1726
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:12,559
night doesn't it yeah

1727
00:57:15,190 --> 00:57:13,760
yeah that's

1728
00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:15,200
that's chad that was kind of like kind

1729
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:16,640
of a hit but that's okay we'll let it

1730
00:57:20,789 --> 00:57:18,640
slide hey rob beckhausen thank you for

1731
00:57:21,829 --> 00:57:20,799
that uh special report

1732
00:57:22,789 --> 00:57:21,839
um

1733
00:57:24,150 --> 00:57:22,799
the

1734
00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:24,160
government of ukraine does this for

1735
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:27,280
money real quick for political reasons

1736
00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:29,520
um principally money i mean but you know

1737
00:57:33,670 --> 00:57:30,880
if you you know they're they're trying

1738
00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:33,680
to risk revive their arms

1739
00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:36,000
exports which is especially needed right

1740
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:38,000
now right uh because of the conflict

1741
00:57:41,589 --> 00:57:39,359
pressure in ukraine and they're trying

1742
00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:41,599
to reform and rebuild their military so

1743
00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:43,200
arms sales is a

1744
00:57:46,470 --> 00:57:44,880
they're really pushing it right okay

1745
00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:46,480
well yeah good for them you have to go

1746
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:47,920
find the business where you can find it

1747
00:57:51,589 --> 00:57:50,240
thank you very much rob beckhausen for

1748
00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:51,599
joining us good luck down there in

1749
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:53,760
dallas and we'll talk to you very soon

1750
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:55,200
okay

1751
00:58:01,030 --> 00:57:59,680
we'll take a commercial break now and

1752
00:58:02,390 --> 00:58:01,040
we'll be right back after this you're

1753
00:58:05,270 --> 00:58:02,400
listening to mac maloney's mill track

1754
00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:05,280
style show here on the distant thunder a

1755
00:58:08,710 --> 00:58:07,520
radio network we'll be right back after

1756
00:58:11,109 --> 00:58:08,720
this

1757
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:11,119
over the years air force major hawk

1758
00:58:15,750 --> 00:58:13,200
hunter and his band of patriotic fighter

1759
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:15,760
pilots have fought tirelessly to reunite

1760
00:58:20,789 --> 00:58:18,240
a fractured america devastated by a

1761
00:58:23,109 --> 00:58:20,799
russian sneak attack

1762
00:58:26,230 --> 00:58:23,119
now returning from a mysterious space

1763
00:58:28,870 --> 00:58:26,240
odyssey hunter finds a huge russian army

1764
00:58:31,030 --> 00:58:28,880
occupying new york city ready to invade

1765
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:31,040
the rest of america

1766
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:32,880
buzzing through the city's skyscraper

1767
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:35,520
canyons in a tiny top-secret ghost plane

1768
00:58:39,910 --> 00:58:37,200
and seeing the invader's massive

1769
00:58:41,750 --> 00:58:39,920
weaponry for himself hawk realizes he's

1770
00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:41,760
up against the greatest danger his

1771
00:58:46,390 --> 00:58:44,400
homeland has ever faced

1772
00:58:48,150 --> 00:58:46,400
but equally alarming are reports

1773
00:58:50,309 --> 00:58:48,160
claiming that hawke's former girlfriend

1774
00:58:52,470 --> 00:58:50,319
dominique is living with the head of the

1775
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:52,480
russian secret police in a manhattan

1776
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:53,599
penthouse

1777
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:56,400
is she his prisoner or is she something

1778
00:59:00,069 --> 00:58:58,319
else

1779
00:59:02,630 --> 00:59:00,079
with the woman in the country he loves

1780
00:59:05,190 --> 00:59:02,640
in dire peril hawk hunter the wingman

1781
00:59:06,950 --> 00:59:05,200
will apply all his aviation prowess to

1782
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:06,960
launch the most crucial battle for

1783
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:10,720
america yet no matter what the risks

1784
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:12,960
filled with fast-paced action a wide

1785
00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:15,359
range of aircraft and military hardware

1786
00:59:19,750 --> 00:59:17,200
battle for america brings back your

1787
00:59:21,990 --> 00:59:19,760
favorite characters from earlier books

1788
00:59:24,549 --> 00:59:22,000
in the wingman series and delivers a

1789
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:24,559
riveting story that reveals new insight

1790
00:59:28,630 --> 00:59:26,960
on america's most famous hero the

1791
00:59:34,549 --> 00:59:28,640
wingman

1792
00:59:39,890 --> 00:59:34,559
on sale now at amazon.com and available

1793
00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:51,829
[Music]

1794
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:54,000
hi i'm jack nicholson and you're

1795
00:59:58,870 --> 00:59:57,280
listening to the mac maloney military

1796
01:00:03,030 --> 00:59:58,880
x-files show

1797
01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:03,040
on distant thunder radio network

1798
01:00:05,910 --> 01:00:04,319
welcome back everyone to macaroni's

1799
01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:05,920
military show here on the distant

1800
01:00:10,789 --> 01:00:08,400
thunder radio network is making

1801
01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:10,799
in the studio that site 17 weeks in a

1802
01:00:15,190 --> 01:00:12,960
row the very famous one one is here yes

1803
01:00:17,670 --> 01:00:15,200
sir and loving every minute in person no

1804
01:00:19,030 --> 01:00:17,680
patriots gear nope but he's in person

1805
01:00:21,109 --> 01:00:19,040
he's he's starting to get out of the

1806
01:00:23,190 --> 01:00:21,119
rest yeah he goes everywhere you know

1807
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:23,200
sports illustrated now

1808
01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:24,400
well maybe you're just throwing it up

1809
01:00:27,990 --> 01:00:25,920
maybe it's the tantric way of uh

1810
01:00:29,510 --> 01:00:28,000
following your sports team electric

1811
01:00:30,630 --> 01:00:29,520
there you go until all of a sudden

1812
01:00:33,030 --> 01:00:30,640
kaboom

1813
01:00:34,710 --> 01:00:33,040
no okay i'm giving you ideas one one if

1814
01:00:37,109 --> 01:00:34,720
you don't want things i i just have to

1815
01:00:39,190 --> 01:00:37,119
okay chill out cool yeah patriots review

1816
01:00:41,829 --> 01:00:39,200
on my agenda in a couple of weeks

1817
01:00:43,589 --> 01:00:41,839
now this is a guy who wore tom brady

1818
01:00:45,270 --> 01:00:43,599
pajamas in here yes

1819
01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:45,280
okay with the little drop thing in the

1820
01:00:49,589 --> 01:00:47,760
back which is awesome nice touch

1821
01:00:51,910 --> 01:00:49,599
and a tb 12 hat

1822
01:00:55,030 --> 01:00:51,920
uh db12 hat that's right

1823
01:00:55,750 --> 01:00:55,040
um five super bowls hat on the line with

1824
01:00:57,670 --> 01:00:55,760
us

1825
01:00:59,589 --> 01:00:57,680
from the uh for the magic of from the

1826
01:01:02,309 --> 01:00:59,599
magic of skype

1827
01:01:05,670 --> 01:01:02,319
two good friends of the show

1828
01:01:07,349 --> 01:01:05,680
willie miranda and susan mcneil spooler

1829
01:01:09,430 --> 01:01:07,359
out there in leominster massachusetts

1830
01:01:12,309 --> 01:01:09,440
and these two kids are putting on a ufo

1831
01:01:14,309 --> 01:01:12,319
conference in october the greater new

1832
01:01:15,109 --> 01:01:14,319
england ufo conference october 6th and

1833
01:01:18,069 --> 01:01:15,119
7th

1834
01:01:19,910 --> 01:01:18,079
in leominster mass 25 west street

1835
01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:19,920
uh to be specific how are you doing

1836
01:01:24,870 --> 01:01:22,000
there tonight you two

1837
01:01:25,750 --> 01:01:24,880
we're doing well great thank you

1838
01:01:27,190 --> 01:01:25,760
uh

1839
01:01:30,630 --> 01:01:27,200
city hall

1840
01:01:33,349 --> 01:01:30,640
interesting okay and and just give us

1841
01:01:36,870 --> 01:01:33,359
the uh website real quick

1842
01:01:39,750 --> 01:01:36,880
uh www.new englandufo.com

1843
01:01:41,510 --> 01:01:39,760
okay excellent okay and uh how long have

1844
01:01:43,589 --> 01:01:41,520
you been doing this

1845
01:01:46,630 --> 01:01:43,599
this will be our third year doing it uh

1846
01:01:47,750 --> 01:01:46,640
but steve firmani did it two years

1847
01:01:49,430 --> 01:01:47,760
okay

1848
01:01:50,950 --> 01:01:49,440
this has happened right we the

1849
01:01:52,789 --> 01:01:50,960
entertainment loving people demand the

1850
01:01:54,710 --> 01:01:52,799
best unlimited wireless plan ever from

1851
01:01:56,470 --> 01:01:54,720
at t i thought i raised you better than

1852
01:01:58,789 --> 01:01:56,480
to make demands like that you know what

1853
01:02:00,470 --> 01:01:58,799
we want even more than that we want a t

1854
01:02:02,390 --> 01:02:00,480
to give us unlimited entertainment what

1855
01:02:04,230 --> 01:02:02,400
else do you want a flying car well maybe

1856
01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:04,240
hbo included in our plan how about a

1857
01:02:07,589 --> 01:02:06,000
unicorn and we want to watch all our

1858
01:02:09,270 --> 01:02:07,599
favorite shows without paying overages

1859
01:02:11,430 --> 01:02:09,280
good luck with that and we want all of

1860
01:02:13,670 --> 01:02:11,440
this plus we want to save 25 on our

1861
01:02:14,710 --> 01:02:13,680
monthly directv bill but you can save me

1862
01:02:15,990 --> 01:02:14,720
25

1863
01:02:17,670 --> 01:02:16,000
well yeah

1864
01:02:20,069 --> 01:02:17,680
i'm proud of you son

1865
01:02:22,309 --> 01:02:20,079
only at t offers you unlimited data with

1866
01:02:24,789 --> 01:02:22,319
hbo included and never pay overages

1867
01:02:26,789 --> 01:02:24,799
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1868
01:02:29,190 --> 01:02:26,799
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1869
01:02:31,270 --> 01:02:29,200
and unlimited data plus save 25 per

1870
01:02:33,829 --> 01:02:31,280
month on directv

1871
01:02:35,589 --> 01:02:33,839
it's entertainment your way after 22

1872
01:02:36,950 --> 01:02:35,599
gigabytes of data usage team may slow

1873
01:02:37,910 --> 01:02:36,960
speeds plan includes stream saver and

1874
01:02:39,670 --> 01:02:37,920
videos will stream in standard

1875
01:02:41,510 --> 01:02:39,680
definition unless you turn it off 25

1876
01:02:42,789 --> 01:02:41,520
direct tv savings requires a t unlimited

1877
01:02:44,230 --> 01:02:42,799
plus credit start then three bills

1878
01:02:45,430 --> 01:02:44,240
service prices subject to change other

1879
01:02:47,670 --> 01:02:45,440
usage speed fees charges and

1880
01:02:49,589 --> 01:02:47,680
restrictions supplies the

1881
01:02:52,630 --> 01:02:49,599
for details

1882
01:02:53,910 --> 01:02:52,640
and and um is it what you expected it to

1883
01:02:58,390 --> 01:02:53,920
be

1884
01:03:01,109 --> 01:02:58,400
you having

1885
01:03:03,670 --> 01:03:01,119
who is speaking there this time

1886
01:03:06,069 --> 01:03:03,680
we have um for our keynote speaker we

1887
01:03:07,910 --> 01:03:06,079
have nick redfern oh all right nick

1888
01:03:09,910 --> 01:03:07,920
excellent

1889
01:03:12,870 --> 01:03:09,920
who's nick nick deserves a rim shot i

1890
01:03:15,190 --> 01:03:12,880
think nick redfern is he is someone who

1891
01:03:16,630 --> 01:03:15,200
he knows he's probably written

1892
01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:16,640
more good books about the paranormal

1893
01:03:20,069 --> 01:03:18,160
than anybody he's a british guy lives

1894
01:03:22,069 --> 01:03:20,079
down in dallas he helped me a lot with

1895
01:03:22,950 --> 01:03:22,079
my books okay he's just like a really

1896
01:03:25,349 --> 01:03:22,960
good

1897
01:03:27,109 --> 01:03:25,359
guy to go to to you know get expert

1898
01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:27,119
advice right you know

1899
01:03:32,710 --> 01:03:29,200
he's a good guy he sent me a picture

1900
01:03:34,789 --> 01:03:32,720
once he sent me a picture once of a of a

1901
01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:34,799
bear that had been shaved

1902
01:03:41,109 --> 01:03:39,359
and i i still can't get the image out of

1903
01:03:43,349 --> 01:03:41,119
my mind it was the ugliest thing you've

1904
01:03:44,230 --> 01:03:43,359
ever seen in your life who shaved it i

1905
01:03:45,750 --> 01:03:44,240
don't know there was some you know

1906
01:03:47,109 --> 01:03:45,760
they're doing some kind of america or it

1907
01:03:50,150 --> 01:03:47,119
lost its hair or something you know it

1908
01:03:52,069 --> 01:03:50,160
was a nervous beer i don't know right

1909
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:52,079
that's what it is there you go

1910
01:03:57,029 --> 01:03:55,200
so what got you guys into ufos i mean

1911
01:03:59,829 --> 01:03:57,039
have you seen ufos yourself have you

1912
01:04:02,870 --> 01:03:59,839
witnessed yours

1913
01:04:04,710 --> 01:04:02,880
my mother saw one in leominster not very

1914
01:04:08,789 --> 01:04:04,720
far from city hall when she was pregnant

1915
01:04:10,309 --> 01:04:08,799
with me in 1963. okay

1916
01:04:12,069 --> 01:04:10,319
and in the 90s

1917
01:04:16,309 --> 01:04:12,079
uh

1918
01:04:18,390 --> 01:04:16,319
atop a city hall

1919
01:04:19,349 --> 01:04:18,400
really yeah holy cow

1920
01:04:20,630 --> 01:04:19,359
on a

1921
01:04:21,990 --> 01:04:20,640
sunny

1922
01:04:24,829 --> 01:04:22,000
noon

1923
01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:24,839
day without a car in the sky

1924
01:04:32,230 --> 01:04:29,760
right yeah so uh me i've known susan

1925
01:04:34,870 --> 01:04:32,240
here it was 35 years and uh

1926
01:04:37,270 --> 01:04:34,880
and uh it was just the right chance that

1927
01:04:41,589 --> 01:04:37,280
we got together and uh started talking

1928
01:04:45,270 --> 01:04:43,589
massachusetts and it might be further

1929
01:04:47,190 --> 01:04:45,280
west than where we are where you are

1930
01:04:48,710 --> 01:04:47,200
that that are almost like hot spots of

1931
01:04:50,870 --> 01:04:48,720
ufo activity

1932
01:04:53,750 --> 01:04:50,880
leominster is one of them

1933
01:04:55,510 --> 01:04:53,760
okay ufo activity in leominster right a

1934
01:04:57,670 --> 01:04:55,520
lot of big foot a lot of bigfoot

1935
01:05:00,390 --> 01:04:57,680
activity monster over the years right

1936
01:05:03,270 --> 01:05:00,400
and of course the video andreas was was

1937
01:05:05,750 --> 01:05:03,280
born in leominster mm-hmm okay and uh

1938
01:05:08,549 --> 01:05:05,760
who's that

1939
01:05:12,150 --> 01:05:08,559
the ray flower ray fowler from maine

1940
01:05:14,549 --> 01:05:12,160
wrote a series of books um the first of

1941
01:05:16,710 --> 01:05:14,559
which was called the andreas affair okay

1942
01:05:18,309 --> 01:05:16,720
and she grew up and she grew up on

1943
01:05:22,549 --> 01:05:18,319
howard street

1944
01:05:24,150 --> 01:05:22,559
in leominster which is behind the um

1945
01:05:27,190 --> 01:05:24,160
which is off of um

1946
01:05:29,190 --> 01:05:27,200
group 117 she's also known as lancaster

1947
01:05:30,950 --> 01:05:29,200
okay here the uh

1948
01:05:33,029 --> 01:05:30,960
yep all right

1949
01:05:34,950 --> 01:05:33,039
she said she was tired she had a lot of

1950
01:05:36,870 --> 01:05:34,960
abduction experiences when she moved out

1951
01:05:38,630 --> 01:05:36,880
to westminster oh okay

1952
01:05:40,950 --> 01:05:38,640
also in ashfordham she also had

1953
01:05:42,789 --> 01:05:40,960
abduction experience right but all right

1954
01:05:44,390 --> 01:05:42,799
so we asked this to people who you know

1955
01:05:46,870 --> 01:05:44,400
we've had on the show before that they

1956
01:05:49,190 --> 01:05:46,880
live near hot spots like st louis valley

1957
01:05:50,470 --> 01:05:49,200
is one of them and uh this place is over

1958
01:05:52,470 --> 01:05:50,480
in scotland

1959
01:05:54,870 --> 01:05:52,480
that you know hot spots people see not

1960
01:05:56,789 --> 01:05:54,880
only ufos but they see as we talk about

1961
01:05:58,470 --> 01:05:56,799
this on the show a lot you know they see

1962
01:06:00,150 --> 01:05:58,480
bigfoot activity they see other kinds of

1963
01:06:02,069 --> 01:06:00,160
paranormal activity makes us think that

1964
01:06:03,990 --> 01:06:02,079
maybe all this stuff is part of the same

1965
01:06:05,990 --> 01:06:04,000
thing forbes you know all this crazy

1966
01:06:08,789 --> 01:06:06,000
stuff concentrated in the place you know

1967
01:06:11,109 --> 01:06:08,799
it's very unusual i have a contact uh

1968
01:06:13,270 --> 01:06:11,119
customer that had

1969
01:06:14,390 --> 01:06:13,280
some experiences in the worcester area

1970
01:06:16,950 --> 01:06:14,400
back in those

1971
01:06:18,470 --> 01:06:16,960
time periods that they're talking about

1972
01:06:19,990 --> 01:06:18,480
yeah it's funny

1973
01:06:21,589 --> 01:06:20,000
i mean do you think is is there

1974
01:06:25,670 --> 01:06:21,599
something about leominster that might

1975
01:06:29,670 --> 01:06:26,549
well

1976
01:06:31,589 --> 01:06:29,680
a part of it could could go back to the

1977
01:06:33,589 --> 01:06:31,599
end the american indians well what you

1978
01:06:35,109 --> 01:06:33,599
said about what you said about what tata

1979
01:06:37,910 --> 01:06:35,119
and mount monadnock and that makes a

1980
01:06:39,510 --> 01:06:37,920
triangle right that's it okay

1981
01:06:41,349 --> 01:06:39,520
right and and we've talked to chris

1982
01:06:43,270 --> 01:06:41,359
o'brien from who was an investigator in

1983
01:06:45,750 --> 01:06:43,280
the saint louis valley for years

1984
01:06:47,990 --> 01:06:45,760
he was from boston originally as well

1985
01:06:50,710 --> 01:06:48,000
and you know that place out there was

1986
01:06:52,870 --> 01:06:50,720
like a holy ground not just for indian

1987
01:06:53,589 --> 01:06:52,880
tribes but like several indian nations

1988
01:06:55,430 --> 01:06:53,599
yeah

1989
01:06:57,510 --> 01:06:55,440
you know well you know millions of

1990
01:06:59,430 --> 01:06:57,520
people and now all this strange stuff

1991
01:07:00,549 --> 01:06:59,440
happens there and now this and strange

1992
01:07:02,870 --> 01:07:00,559
stuff happens up in the american

1993
01:07:05,109 --> 01:07:02,880
northwest with with bigfoot you know

1994
01:07:07,430 --> 01:07:05,119
being connected to the indian tribes up

1995
01:07:09,430 --> 01:07:07,440
there it's weird there's got to be some

1996
01:07:10,870 --> 01:07:09,440
dotted line to them or something

1997
01:07:12,829 --> 01:07:10,880
oh yeah you know we got the bridgewater

1998
01:07:15,750 --> 01:07:12,839
triangle you know

1999
01:07:17,430 --> 01:07:15,760
yep wow yeah there's a lot of crazy

2000
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:17,440
stuff going on so that's a big energy

2001
01:07:21,190 --> 01:07:19,440
field that's being or something built

2002
01:07:22,309 --> 01:07:21,200
yeah it's been there forever

2003
01:07:23,510 --> 01:07:22,319
probably been there forever i've heard

2004
01:07:25,029 --> 01:07:23,520
some stories about the bridgewater

2005
01:07:26,630 --> 01:07:25,039
triangle that make you

2006
01:07:28,710 --> 01:07:26,640
well here for a lot i would say but i

2007
01:07:30,230 --> 01:07:28,720
don't want to hurt you one i think i

2008
01:07:32,870 --> 01:07:30,240
think we get it here just as good as the

2009
01:07:35,190 --> 01:07:32,880
southwest you know right yes

2010
01:07:37,670 --> 01:07:35,200
the ley lines and the vortices i agree

2011
01:07:38,789 --> 01:07:37,680
right right so so just give us a rundown

2012
01:07:40,549 --> 01:07:38,799
of what the two days are going to be

2013
01:07:41,589 --> 01:07:40,559
like there'll be lots of speeches i'm

2014
01:07:43,670 --> 01:07:41,599
sure

2015
01:07:45,430 --> 01:07:43,680
friday night is um

2016
01:07:47,349 --> 01:07:45,440
start from friday night is from six to

2017
01:07:49,109 --> 01:07:47,359
nine okay and that's only and it's only

2018
01:07:52,150 --> 01:07:49,119
ten dollars and that's you that's big

2019
01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:52,160
fortnite okay we'll have alexandra

2020
01:07:57,510 --> 01:07:54,720
alexander um pedakov

2021
01:08:01,190 --> 01:07:57,520
dave mccullough and jonathan wilk from

2022
01:08:03,750 --> 01:08:01,200
um squash juices they're uh

2023
01:08:06,870 --> 01:08:03,760
the uh bigfoot group ronnie and ronnie

2024
01:08:08,870 --> 01:08:06,880
leblanc will also um be there too

2025
01:08:10,710 --> 01:08:08,880
right right okay

2026
01:08:15,910 --> 01:08:10,720
on

2027
01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:15,920
i'm going to be right okay and nick nick

2028
01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:17,839
redfearn will speak

2029
01:08:21,990 --> 01:08:20,400
um and we probably will we'll have a

2030
01:08:23,910 --> 01:08:22,000
panel just

2031
01:08:26,950 --> 01:08:23,920
okay cool we'll have a lot of

2032
01:08:29,510 --> 01:08:26,960
yep on saturday we'll be uh paul and ben

2033
01:08:31,110 --> 01:08:29,520
eno oh pauline oh yeah good friend of

2034
01:08:33,189 --> 01:08:31,120
the show yeah

2035
01:08:35,590 --> 01:08:33,199
and we'll have bill hall or at the

2036
01:08:38,630 --> 01:08:35,600
antonio we'll be there

2037
01:08:41,269 --> 01:08:38,640
we're having peter robbins coming in oh

2038
01:08:42,630 --> 01:08:41,279
yeah brother peter oh boy

2039
01:08:45,349 --> 01:08:42,640
yeah yeah

2040
01:08:47,349 --> 01:08:45,359
our keynote will be uh nick redfern so

2041
01:08:49,590 --> 01:08:47,359
we'll have um in the afternoon nick will

2042
01:08:51,669 --> 01:08:49,600
speak and then we'll have a panel

2043
01:08:53,269 --> 01:08:51,679
discussion right right wow well you got

2044
01:08:55,990 --> 01:08:53,279
a good group of people you know it

2045
01:08:57,910 --> 01:08:56,000
sounds really good um so just tell

2046
01:08:59,829 --> 01:08:57,920
people you know how they can contact you

2047
01:09:01,749 --> 01:08:59,839
how they can get tickets and we'll just

2048
01:09:03,110 --> 01:09:01,759
go over the uh directions to leominster

2049
01:09:04,550 --> 01:09:03,120
again too

2050
01:09:07,110 --> 01:09:04,560
i'll be you'll people will be able to

2051
01:09:09,590 --> 01:09:07,120
buy tickets at the door uh twitch

2052
01:09:11,990 --> 01:09:09,600
on saturday it's 25 and on friday night

2053
01:09:14,950 --> 01:09:12,000
it's ten dollars okay um we'll have

2054
01:09:18,950 --> 01:09:14,960
tickets for sale online ahead of time

2055
01:09:21,110 --> 01:09:18,960
and like i said it's four as well so

2056
01:09:23,030 --> 01:09:21,120
yeah this is october 6th and 7th in

2057
01:09:24,789 --> 01:09:23,040
limits of mass the greater new england

2058
01:09:26,709 --> 01:09:24,799
ufo conference

2059
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:26,719
all right yes and get there early enough

2060
01:09:30,870 --> 01:09:28,560
so you can be treated to some meals from

2061
01:09:32,630 --> 01:09:30,880
soup dog they've got soup thoughts soup

2062
01:09:36,789 --> 01:09:32,640
dog's going to be there we know that

2063
01:09:42,070 --> 01:09:38,630
we'll have it all decorated up for him

2064
01:09:44,470 --> 01:09:42,080
and we'll have uh all sorts of fun alien

2065
01:09:47,030 --> 01:09:44,480
ufo stuff for sale you know inexpensive

2066
01:09:48,950 --> 01:09:47,040
things so if you wanted to buy excellent

2067
01:09:50,709 --> 01:09:48,960
inflatable alien or something we'll have

2068
01:09:51,990 --> 01:09:50,719
that i love these conferences because

2069
01:09:53,590 --> 01:09:52,000
you really when you meet some very

2070
01:09:55,510 --> 01:09:53,600
interesting people the ones i've been to

2071
01:09:57,189 --> 01:09:55,520
have been really kind of entertaining

2072
01:09:58,630 --> 01:09:57,199
let's say

2073
01:10:01,590 --> 01:09:58,640
i bet you've never gone to a conference

2074
01:10:03,270 --> 01:10:01,600
with inflatable aliens no but i

2075
01:10:05,350 --> 01:10:03,280
i can tell you stories i'm wondering

2076
01:10:09,590 --> 01:10:05,360
what you do with that yeah okay yeah we

2077
01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:10,709
you know how do you know how to market

2078
01:10:14,550 --> 01:10:12,960
this thing holy cow okay and then and

2079
01:10:16,390 --> 01:10:14,560
then ernie back him up and stole it

2080
01:10:19,510 --> 01:10:16,400
there you go

2081
01:10:22,390 --> 01:10:19,520
come on man very yeah inside joke

2082
01:10:24,390 --> 01:10:22,400
hey listen uh willie miranda and uh

2083
01:10:25,590 --> 01:10:24,400
susan mcneil spooler thanks for joining

2084
01:10:28,229 --> 01:10:25,600
us okay

2085
01:10:31,350 --> 01:10:28,239
uh thank you for having us thank you

2086
01:10:33,030 --> 01:10:31,360
very much this is going to be in october

2087
01:10:34,709 --> 01:10:33,040
so we'll have you on again just to uh

2088
01:10:37,030 --> 01:10:34,719
refresh and tease it sometime in

2089
01:10:38,550 --> 01:10:37,040
september okay wonderful wonderful we

2090
01:10:41,270 --> 01:10:38,560
look forward to looking forward to it

2091
01:10:42,390 --> 01:10:41,280
okay okay thanks kids see you later

2092
01:10:44,550 --> 01:10:42,400
thank you guys

2093
01:10:46,550 --> 01:10:44,560
very much the greater new england ufo

2094
01:10:48,390 --> 01:10:46,560
conference in leominster mass october

2095
01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:48,400
6th and 7th that's a friday and a sad

2096
01:10:53,830 --> 01:10:50,400
day friday night is bigfoot night man

2097
01:10:56,470 --> 01:10:53,840
that's that's almost too good to pass up

2098
01:10:58,070 --> 01:10:56,480
also on seven on the side of the seventh

2099
01:11:00,390 --> 01:10:58,080
nick redfern and a host of other people

2100
01:11:01,910 --> 01:11:00,400
will be talking so be there be swear

2101
01:11:03,550 --> 01:11:01,920
they say the kids stay there one more

2102
01:11:06,470 --> 01:11:03,560
check them out on new england

2103
01:11:09,590 --> 01:11:06,480
ufo.com that's new england ufo.com

2104
01:11:10,830 --> 01:11:09,600
that's right thanks again

2105
01:11:13,030 --> 01:11:10,840
thank you so

2106
01:11:14,149 --> 01:11:13,040
much commercial break now and uh we'll

2107
01:11:15,750 --> 01:11:14,159
be right back after this you listen to

2108
01:11:17,990 --> 01:11:15,760
mac money's military exile show here on

2109
01:11:20,709 --> 01:11:18,000
the distant thunder radio and network

2110
01:11:23,910 --> 01:11:20,719
ufos are found in renaissance art on

2111
01:11:26,470 --> 01:11:23,920
ancient coins and etched on cave walls

2112
01:11:28,709 --> 01:11:26,480
they're even reported in the bible but

2113
01:11:29,750 --> 01:11:28,719
more surprising is when ufos are seen

2114
01:11:32,550 --> 01:11:29,760
the most

2115
01:11:34,470 --> 01:11:32,560
in times of war

2116
01:11:36,149 --> 01:11:34,480
through centuries thousands of ufo

2117
01:11:38,630 --> 01:11:36,159
sightings have been made by high-ranking

2118
01:11:41,030 --> 01:11:38,640
officials military pilots and ordinary

2119
01:11:43,030 --> 01:11:41,040
soldiers often these fantastic

2120
01:11:44,310 --> 01:11:43,040
appearances occur at the height of great

2121
01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:44,320
battles

2122
01:11:49,270 --> 01:11:46,960
from world war one to d-day to korea

2123
01:11:51,910 --> 01:11:49,280
vietnam and beyond military

2124
01:11:53,669 --> 01:11:51,920
investigators are baffled why do ufo

2125
01:11:54,790 --> 01:11:53,679
sightings spike so drastically during

2126
01:11:56,870 --> 01:11:54,800
wartime

2127
01:12:00,630 --> 01:11:56,880
could it be mistaken aircraft or is

2128
01:12:03,030 --> 01:12:00,640
someone or something looking in on us

2129
01:12:05,110 --> 01:12:03,040
in ufos and wartime what they didn't

2130
01:12:06,790 --> 01:12:05,120
want you to know mcmaloney chronicles

2131
01:12:08,709 --> 01:12:06,800
centuries of these incredible sightings

2132
01:12:11,110 --> 01:12:08,719
and tries to solve the puzzle of why so

2133
01:12:12,390 --> 01:12:11,120
many ufos are seen while humanity is at

2134
01:12:14,390 --> 01:12:12,400
war

2135
01:12:16,950 --> 01:12:14,400
read about the scare ships the ghost

2136
01:12:19,830 --> 01:12:16,960
planes and the ghost rockets alien

2137
01:12:22,390 --> 01:12:19,840
giants in the jungles of vietnam ufos

2138
01:12:24,149 --> 01:12:22,400
controlling our icbm bases

2139
01:12:26,149 --> 01:12:24,159
dog fights with flying saucers during

2140
01:12:29,590 --> 01:12:26,159
the gulf war and more

2141
01:12:31,750 --> 01:12:29,600
300 pages of unbelievable stories along

2142
01:12:34,390 --> 01:12:31,760
with many startling photographs

2143
01:12:37,110 --> 01:12:34,400
that's ufos and wartime what they didn't

2144
01:12:42,890 --> 01:12:37,120
want you to know by mac maloney on sale

2145
01:12:57,350 --> 01:12:55,270
[Music]

2146
01:13:00,070 --> 01:12:57,360
hi i'm christopher watkin and you're

2147
01:13:01,590 --> 01:13:00,080
listening to the mac maloney military

2148
01:13:05,110 --> 01:13:01,600
x-files show

2149
01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:05,120
on disney thunder radio network

2150
01:13:08,229 --> 01:13:06,560
welcome back to macaloni's new track

2151
01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:08,239
style show here on the distance on the

2152
01:13:12,790 --> 01:13:10,480
radio network

2153
01:13:13,910 --> 01:13:12,800
in the studio with us tonight 17 weeks

2154
01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:13,920
in a row

2155
01:13:18,550 --> 01:13:16,960
the very famous one one is here yes sir

2156
01:13:19,590 --> 01:13:18,560
okay

2157
01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:19,600
there you go you should have your own

2158
01:13:23,590 --> 01:13:22,320
flourish i know uh i love coming down

2159
01:13:25,030 --> 01:13:23,600
here though i love doing the job i'm not

2160
01:13:26,390 --> 01:13:25,040
gonna bring up the pages again because

2161
01:13:27,990 --> 01:13:26,400
we've already done it

2162
01:13:30,149 --> 01:13:28,000
i've noticed him three or four times

2163
01:13:31,910 --> 01:13:30,159
this show and

2164
01:13:36,470 --> 01:13:31,920
we get letters about them not everyone

2165
01:13:40,870 --> 01:13:38,229
and haters are going to hate

2166
01:13:43,430 --> 01:13:40,880
that was command the cobra get over it

2167
01:13:45,590 --> 01:13:43,440
known on the street is coco

2168
01:13:46,870 --> 01:13:45,600
at a undisclosed location and we haven't

2169
01:13:49,750 --> 01:13:46,880
really slaughtered them tonight so why

2170
01:13:51,669 --> 01:13:49,760
don't we just get it over okay all right

2171
01:13:54,229 --> 01:13:51,679
yeah you know it's the enthusiasm that

2172
01:13:56,550 --> 01:13:54,239
wow yes salute is is just brought out

2173
01:13:58,790 --> 01:13:56,560
every week it is the summertime complete

2174
01:14:00,630 --> 01:13:58,800
variance of you know the occasion the

2175
01:14:02,950 --> 01:14:00,640
time there's no order to it right i

2176
01:14:04,790 --> 01:14:02,960
think it kind of reflects uh

2177
01:14:05,430 --> 01:14:04,800
they're really slacking that way yeah

2178
01:14:07,590 --> 01:14:05,440
it's

2179
01:14:09,510 --> 01:14:07,600
pretty slick squared away like you are

2180
01:14:11,350 --> 01:14:09,520
you can do two rim shots of show do you

2181
01:14:12,870 --> 01:14:11,360
want to put one in now no no shaving

2182
01:14:14,229 --> 01:14:12,880
them all up

2183
01:14:15,590 --> 01:14:14,239
that's going to pass muster there with

2184
01:14:17,430 --> 01:14:15,600
the legal you know cobra is the time to

2185
01:14:19,270 --> 01:14:17,440
go there

2186
01:14:20,870 --> 01:14:19,280
our lawyers are talking so we'll see how

2187
01:14:22,709 --> 01:14:20,880
that all works itself out i'm sure

2188
01:14:24,070 --> 01:14:22,719
they're doing it all is volunteers too

2189
01:14:26,390 --> 01:14:24,080
you know

2190
01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:26,400
anyway cobra should be on the inspection

2191
01:14:30,630 --> 01:14:28,400
team maybe he's like checking knots on

2192
01:14:32,229 --> 01:14:30,640
my ditty bag oh yeah whatever that means

2193
01:14:34,550 --> 01:14:32,239
it sounds filthy you know i'm not gonna

2194
01:14:36,470 --> 01:14:34,560
explain it to you

2195
01:14:38,229 --> 01:14:36,480
i will say that for all the coast guard

2196
01:14:39,750 --> 01:14:38,239
listeners that was a navy man asking a

2197
01:14:41,750 --> 01:14:39,760
coast guard man to check the knots on

2198
01:14:43,189 --> 01:14:41,760
his ditty bag you know

2199
01:14:44,709 --> 01:14:43,199
i bet that's going to be in the urban

2200
01:14:47,110 --> 01:14:44,719
dictionary before the show is over i

2201
01:14:49,189 --> 01:14:47,120
hope so if the cricket's by mistake i

2202
01:14:50,390 --> 01:14:49,199
bet i'd better get attribution on it too

2203
01:14:52,070 --> 01:14:50,400
i'll tell you

2204
01:14:54,709 --> 01:14:52,080
jeff is going to get out of the show

2205
01:14:56,470 --> 01:14:54,719
this will be good hang on i owe you this

2206
01:14:58,149 --> 01:14:56,480
okay here we go

2207
01:15:00,709 --> 01:14:58,159
i just want to remind everyone people

2208
01:15:02,950 --> 01:15:00,719
wanted to know um

2209
01:15:03,990 --> 01:15:02,960
what juan juan's rap name was

2210
01:15:06,149 --> 01:15:04,000
yeah what is it do you remember what it

2211
01:15:08,470 --> 01:15:06,159
was

2212
01:15:10,709 --> 01:15:08,480
do you remember cobra i don't you know

2213
01:15:13,990 --> 01:15:10,719
one hung low or something no it wasn't

2214
01:15:16,950 --> 01:15:14,000
so pat yourself on the back there

2215
01:15:18,630 --> 01:15:16,960
jay jazzy swoop oh yeah jesse swoop i

2216
01:15:20,630 --> 01:15:18,640
have to write that down there you go you

2217
01:15:22,310 --> 01:15:20,640
shouldn't know your street name won one

2218
01:15:24,870 --> 01:15:22,320
it might come in handy someday you know

2219
01:15:26,630 --> 01:15:24,880
what i mean

2220
01:15:29,030 --> 01:15:26,640
mapquest takes me home

2221
01:15:30,550 --> 01:15:29,040
and um

2222
01:15:33,830 --> 01:15:30,560
the commander street name is as we know

2223
01:15:35,669 --> 01:15:33,840
coco commander cova coco

2224
01:15:36,550 --> 01:15:35,679
right oh like you don't like it really

2225
01:15:38,229 --> 01:15:36,560
okay

2226
01:15:40,070 --> 01:15:38,239
everything's like coco i think of coco

2227
01:15:41,750 --> 01:15:40,080
chanel really i think a coco is a

2228
01:15:43,350 --> 01:15:41,760
chocolate drink you drink no your mind

2229
01:15:45,750 --> 01:15:43,360
doesn't go there no you got a coco [\h__\h]

2230
01:15:47,350 --> 01:15:45,760
i love coco though yeah i do wow

2231
01:15:49,270 --> 01:15:47,360
when's she like around in the 30s didn't

2232
01:15:51,510 --> 01:15:49,280
she collaborate with the nazis i think

2233
01:15:53,590 --> 01:15:51,520
she's probably yeah everybody everybody

2234
01:15:55,270 --> 01:15:53,600
don't bother you okay

2235
01:15:58,310 --> 01:15:55,280
there you go hitler was great to his dog

2236
01:15:59,910 --> 01:15:58,320
you know that yeah i loved him

2237
01:16:01,030 --> 01:15:59,920
anyway on the phone with us if he's

2238
01:16:02,149 --> 01:16:01,040
still there

2239
01:16:04,149 --> 01:16:02,159
i'm here

2240
01:16:05,590 --> 01:16:04,159
it's jim harold our friend from out

2241
01:16:07,350 --> 01:16:05,600
there in ohio

2242
01:16:09,030 --> 01:16:07,360
how are you doing there tonight jim

2243
01:16:10,470 --> 01:16:09,040
i'm doing okay but i know we're going to

2244
01:16:12,310 --> 01:16:10,480
talk about some scary stuff but you were

2245
01:16:14,470 --> 01:16:12,320
talking football and i just got to say

2246
01:16:16,550 --> 01:16:14,480
i'm a browns fan so

2247
01:16:17,830 --> 01:16:16,560
what we're going to discuss tonight is

2248
01:16:19,830 --> 01:16:17,840
nowhere near as frightening as the

2249
01:16:20,790 --> 01:16:19,840
cleveland browns that's true

2250
01:16:22,470 --> 01:16:20,800
wow

2251
01:16:24,550 --> 01:16:22,480
but you are some great fans i don't

2252
01:16:26,709 --> 01:16:24,560
follow nfl at all but

2253
01:16:28,870 --> 01:16:26,719
cleveland cleveland's a great town but

2254
01:16:31,110 --> 01:16:28,880
cleveland browns fans boy you guys are

2255
01:16:35,590 --> 01:16:31,120
you got hearts glutton for punishment

2256
01:16:39,350 --> 01:16:37,350
in everybody's face you know with

2257
01:16:41,110 --> 01:16:39,360
winning and stuff like that yeah but we

2258
01:16:42,550 --> 01:16:41,120
have nothing to be up in anybody's face

2259
01:16:44,870 --> 01:16:42,560
about unless you want to talk about the

2260
01:16:47,110 --> 01:16:44,880
50s but nobody remembers that right yeah

2261
01:16:49,189 --> 01:16:47,120
yeah so that's so last century come on

2262
01:16:51,189 --> 01:16:49,199
you mean when they're on tv all the time

2263
01:16:52,630 --> 01:16:51,199
and browns and chickens smoke signals

2264
01:16:53,990 --> 01:16:52,640
you know they were the greatest team of

2265
01:16:55,910 --> 01:16:54,000
the fifth or one of the greatest teams

2266
01:16:57,910 --> 01:16:55,920
yeah 50s don't doubt about it but you've

2267
01:16:59,830 --> 01:16:57,920
had some uh let's say bad luck there

2268
01:17:02,229 --> 01:16:59,840
lately especially with your quarterbacks

2269
01:17:03,910 --> 01:17:02,239
as it turns out uh yeah we don't have

2270
01:17:05,750 --> 01:17:03,920
any that's the that's that's kind of the

2271
01:17:08,229 --> 01:17:05,760
luck what's happening oh well johnny

2272
01:17:09,350 --> 01:17:08,239
johnny uh dollar there he kind of

2273
01:17:10,790 --> 01:17:09,360
dropped john

2274
01:17:12,870 --> 01:17:10,800
yeah he's dropped off the face of the

2275
01:17:14,790 --> 01:17:12,880
earth he's he there's some reports out

2276
01:17:17,189 --> 01:17:14,800
uh manziel johnny manziel who had been

2277
01:17:20,790 --> 01:17:17,199
the browns quarterback for like uh a

2278
01:17:22,470 --> 01:17:20,800
month um wants to come back but uh

2279
01:17:24,149 --> 01:17:22,480
at least in the past he had it seems

2280
01:17:25,510 --> 01:17:24,159
like he had a lot of personal problems i

2281
01:17:27,669 --> 01:17:25,520
thought he was on the run or something

2282
01:17:29,669 --> 01:17:27,679
well he is in a way

2283
01:17:31,350 --> 01:17:29,679
he has some issues apparently he likes

2284
01:17:33,990 --> 01:17:31,360
to party a lot

2285
01:17:35,350 --> 01:17:34,000
yes and so on but but when he played for

2286
01:17:37,590 --> 01:17:35,360
who do you play for in college i can't

2287
01:17:40,070 --> 01:17:37,600
even remember texas a m okay he pulled

2288
01:17:42,550 --> 01:17:40,080
off some unbelievable

2289
01:17:44,229 --> 01:17:42,560
comebacks in those games and i mean like

2290
01:17:46,149 --> 01:17:44,239
let's talk about otherworldly he was

2291
01:17:47,750 --> 01:17:46,159
kind of you know on the border yeah he

2292
01:17:48,470 --> 01:17:47,760
wasn't he wasn't a slouch he had a great

2293
01:17:50,149 --> 01:17:48,480
day

2294
01:17:51,750 --> 01:17:50,159
he was a great college quarterback yeah

2295
01:17:53,350 --> 01:17:51,760
a great college quarterback but great

2296
01:17:54,790 --> 01:17:53,360
college quarterbacks aren't necessarily

2297
01:17:57,030 --> 01:17:54,800
a great pro quarterbacks right he's a

2298
01:17:58,390 --> 01:17:57,040
real wise ass too and in the nfl even if

2299
01:18:00,070 --> 01:17:58,400
he played he would get his ass beat

2300
01:18:01,590 --> 01:18:00,080
let's face it you know they would have

2301
01:18:02,310 --> 01:18:01,600
been falling on him with the knee you

2302
01:18:05,270 --> 01:18:02,320
know

2303
01:18:06,790 --> 01:18:05,280
yeah um but um he ruined a good career

2304
01:18:08,390 --> 01:18:06,800
and he blew through a lot of money

2305
01:18:09,270 --> 01:18:08,400
apparently that cleveland's about to

2306
01:18:11,189 --> 01:18:09,280
give him

2307
01:18:12,470 --> 01:18:11,199
um i guess he gambles a little bit so

2308
01:18:14,630 --> 01:18:12,480
who knows

2309
01:18:16,470 --> 01:18:14,640
i've heard that so anyway well good luck

2310
01:18:18,870 --> 01:18:16,480
to cleveland and uh you know maybe next

2311
01:18:20,709 --> 01:18:18,880
century you never know maybe maybe by

2312
01:18:22,149 --> 01:18:20,719
the time i'm 70. we'll see what happens

2313
01:18:23,030 --> 01:18:22,159
are the patriots play in the browns this

2314
01:18:26,470 --> 01:18:23,040
year

2315
01:18:28,950 --> 01:18:26,480
i hope not okay there you go

2316
01:18:30,470 --> 01:18:28,960
well he is a true fan

2317
01:18:32,070 --> 01:18:30,480
cleveland fan

2318
01:18:33,910 --> 01:18:32,080
okay well the indians are doing good in

2319
01:18:35,270 --> 01:18:33,920
your nba team but that's probably

2320
01:18:37,350 --> 01:18:35,280
another show

2321
01:18:39,590 --> 01:18:37,360
yeah yeah exactly it's really cause a

2322
01:18:42,390 --> 01:18:39,600
lot when you refer to them as their nba

2323
01:18:44,550 --> 01:18:42,400
team well no no i mean their nba team

2324
01:18:46,550 --> 01:18:44,560
has been the cavs you know the cavs

2325
01:18:49,030 --> 01:18:46,560
they've been you know good-ish right

2326
01:18:50,630 --> 01:18:49,040
yeah right yeah oh very good yeah yeah

2327
01:18:52,149 --> 01:18:50,640
won a championship not this year but

2328
01:18:54,310 --> 01:18:52,159
last year first championship cleveland

2329
01:18:57,030 --> 01:18:54,320
won since 1964 when the browns dealt

2330
01:18:58,470 --> 01:18:57,040
with jim brown so it was like uh it was

2331
01:19:00,550 --> 01:18:58,480
a weight lifted because i never thought

2332
01:19:01,910 --> 01:19:00,560
i'd see it in my lifetime yep yep and

2333
01:19:03,910 --> 01:19:01,920
they hey they were good but i think

2334
01:19:05,590 --> 01:19:03,920
lebron's a handful but hey if he brings

2335
01:19:07,430 --> 01:19:05,600
it to the promised land who cares you

2336
01:19:09,030 --> 01:19:07,440
know hey he got a championship and he's

2337
01:19:11,990 --> 01:19:09,040
the only athlete i've been following in

2338
01:19:14,149 --> 01:19:12,000
48 years during my lifetime that uh they

2339
01:19:16,470 --> 01:19:14,159
got us one so yeah i'm not gonna say

2340
01:19:18,470 --> 01:19:16,480
anything bad about it yep yep

2341
01:19:20,149 --> 01:19:18,480
they're not all angels so anyway

2342
01:19:21,430 --> 01:19:20,159
um so

2343
01:19:23,510 --> 01:19:21,440
we know that you know a lot about

2344
01:19:25,430 --> 01:19:23,520
black-eyed kids black-eyed children can

2345
01:19:26,630 --> 01:19:25,440
you please tell us can you educate us

2346
01:19:28,870 --> 01:19:26,640
please

2347
01:19:31,030 --> 01:19:28,880
well uh black-eyed kids this is uh

2348
01:19:33,030 --> 01:19:31,040
something that's been circulating around

2349
01:19:34,550 --> 01:19:33,040
on the internet for the last 20 years or

2350
01:19:36,149 --> 01:19:34,560
so and and i will say there are a lot of

2351
01:19:38,390 --> 01:19:36,159
people know a lot more than me people

2352
01:19:40,550 --> 01:19:38,400
like david weatherly uh ryan sprague

2353
01:19:42,470 --> 01:19:40,560
actually did a great article on my

2354
01:19:43,750 --> 01:19:42,480
website a couple of years back on black

2355
01:19:45,510 --> 01:19:43,760
eyed kids

2356
01:19:48,830 --> 01:19:45,520
but it's this idea

2357
01:19:51,350 --> 01:19:48,840
that um a person usually by themselves

2358
01:19:52,709 --> 01:19:51,360
isolated it could be at a house or it

2359
01:19:54,950 --> 01:19:52,719
could be in their car

2360
01:19:56,870 --> 01:19:54,960
a group of kids

2361
01:19:59,669 --> 01:19:56,880
or one kid will approach them and

2362
01:20:01,830 --> 01:19:59,679
they'll always want inside if it's a car

2363
01:20:03,510 --> 01:20:01,840
they'll want to ride if it's

2364
01:20:04,550 --> 01:20:03,520
a house they'll knock on the door and

2365
01:20:06,070 --> 01:20:04,560
want in

2366
01:20:07,510 --> 01:20:06,080
and and basically kind of the way it

2367
01:20:09,110 --> 01:20:07,520
typically goes

2368
01:20:13,030 --> 01:20:09,120
this

2369
01:20:14,870 --> 01:20:13,040
insistent and they won't go away and

2370
01:20:17,030 --> 01:20:14,880
they keep insisting that they get in and

2371
01:20:20,070 --> 01:20:17,040
then the person if they don't notice it

2372
01:20:23,430 --> 01:20:20,080
immediately will eventually notice it

2373
01:20:25,750 --> 01:20:23,440
uh that their eyes are totally black

2374
01:20:27,430 --> 01:20:25,760
uh in terms of the eyeball it's

2375
01:20:28,470 --> 01:20:27,440
absolutely black and i don't know about

2376
01:20:29,590 --> 01:20:28,480
you but that's one of the most

2377
01:20:31,350 --> 01:20:29,600
frightening things i could think of

2378
01:20:33,110 --> 01:20:31,360
seeing is seeing a person standing in

2379
01:20:35,189 --> 01:20:33,120
front of me asking for a ride asking to

2380
01:20:37,189 --> 01:20:35,199
come in my house and their eyeball is

2381
01:20:38,310 --> 01:20:37,199
completely black

2382
01:20:40,229 --> 01:20:38,320
but they can see they're not wandering

2383
01:20:41,350 --> 01:20:40,239
around like they're blind no no no no

2384
01:20:42,630 --> 01:20:41,360
they're not wandering around like

2385
01:20:45,270 --> 01:20:42,640
they're blind now there's some people

2386
01:20:46,790 --> 01:20:45,280
who believe this is just an urban legend

2387
01:20:48,149 --> 01:20:46,800
and other people believe hey there's

2388
01:20:49,750 --> 01:20:48,159
really something to this because there's

2389
01:20:52,070 --> 01:20:49,760
been so many reports it's interesting

2390
01:20:54,149 --> 01:20:52,080
because david weatherly who actually i

2391
01:20:56,070 --> 01:20:54,159
consider them a foremost expert on this

2392
01:20:58,070 --> 01:20:56,080
and the article that ryan did for me

2393
01:21:00,390 --> 01:20:58,080
mentioned that if you look back in

2394
01:21:01,750 --> 01:21:00,400
history there are similar cases it just

2395
01:21:04,550 --> 01:21:01,760
didn't start in

2396
01:21:06,390 --> 01:21:04,560
the the mid 90s now ryan when he did the

2397
01:21:07,750 --> 01:21:06,400
article for my site was able to catch up

2398
01:21:10,630 --> 01:21:07,760
with the gentleman who was kind of

2399
01:21:12,870 --> 01:21:10,640
credited for starting this brian bethel

2400
01:21:14,870 --> 01:21:12,880
he was a journalist out of texas and

2401
01:21:17,110 --> 01:21:14,880
ryan actually talked to him

2402
01:21:18,630 --> 01:21:17,120
and uh ryan

2403
01:21:20,790 --> 01:21:18,640
you know um

2404
01:21:24,149 --> 01:21:20,800
had some good conversation with him

2405
01:21:27,270 --> 01:21:24,159
and he said that afterwards this brian

2406
01:21:29,110 --> 01:21:27,280
bethel guy said his sleep was disturbed

2407
01:21:31,030 --> 01:21:29,120
after he encountered these people he

2408
01:21:33,590 --> 01:21:31,040
didn't want to sleep at all he felt

2409
01:21:35,270 --> 01:21:33,600
unsafe in doing so

2410
01:21:36,950 --> 01:21:35,280
and uh

2411
01:21:38,550 --> 01:21:36,960
i mean that's just to me frightened you

2412
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:38,560
have this encounter with this kid or a

2413
01:21:42,550 --> 01:21:40,560
group of kids they have totally black

2414
01:21:44,390 --> 01:21:42,560
eyes and then you're afraid to go to

2415
01:21:46,229 --> 01:21:44,400
sleep i mean that's terrifying yeah

2416
01:21:50,070 --> 01:21:46,239
really you're really man i kind of know

2417
01:21:51,910 --> 01:21:50,080
that feeling too and and how long is uh

2418
01:21:53,510 --> 01:21:51,920
who are they does anyone have any idea

2419
01:21:54,709 --> 01:21:53,520
where they're coming from well i mean

2420
01:21:56,790 --> 01:21:54,719
there's different thoughts some people

2421
01:21:59,189 --> 01:21:56,800
think they're aliens some people might

2422
01:22:01,110 --> 01:21:59,199
think they're government experiments of

2423
01:22:02,470 --> 01:22:01,120
something some type something akin to

2424
01:22:04,470 --> 01:22:02,480
the men in black which we're all

2425
01:22:07,270 --> 01:22:04,480
familiar with some people think that

2426
01:22:09,430 --> 01:22:07,280
they're kind of soul-sucking demons

2427
01:22:10,390 --> 01:22:09,440
uh who are coming to take our souls now

2428
01:22:11,830 --> 01:22:10,400
actually

2429
01:22:13,189 --> 01:22:11,840
i have a show called campfire and i've

2430
01:22:15,430 --> 01:22:13,199
been on the show and i've talked about

2431
01:22:17,270 --> 01:22:15,440
it before and i had a gentleman who came

2432
01:22:19,510 --> 01:22:17,280
on and gave me a first hand account his

2433
01:22:20,870 --> 01:22:19,520
name was tony he was from tennessee and

2434
01:22:23,350 --> 01:22:20,880
i could tell you that story what

2435
01:22:25,510 --> 01:22:23,360
happened to him

2436
01:22:27,430 --> 01:22:25,520
so anyway uh tony said this was a very

2437
01:22:29,189 --> 01:22:27,440
terrifying event and it was very hard

2438
01:22:31,270 --> 01:22:29,199
for him to talk about it one evening he

2439
01:22:33,430 --> 01:22:31,280
came home he had an uneasy feeling he

2440
01:22:35,750 --> 01:22:33,440
didn't know how to explain it but things

2441
01:22:37,189 --> 01:22:35,760
just didn't seem to right uh seem right

2442
01:22:39,590 --> 01:22:37,199
in fact

2443
01:22:41,110 --> 01:22:39,600
they seem so unright that he didn't eat

2444
01:22:43,510 --> 01:22:41,120
and he said that's very strange for him

2445
01:22:45,910 --> 01:22:43,520
because he likes to eat so anyway

2446
01:22:48,470 --> 01:22:45,920
he was asleep and about one am in the

2447
01:22:50,390 --> 01:22:48,480
morning he heard a rapping on the door

2448
01:22:51,910 --> 01:22:50,400
and he said we the entertainment loving

2449
01:22:54,149 --> 01:22:51,920
people demand the best unlimited

2450
01:22:55,590 --> 01:22:54,159
wireless plan ever from at t i thought i

2451
01:22:57,270 --> 01:22:55,600
raised you better than to make demands

2452
01:22:59,430 --> 01:22:57,280
like that you know what we want even

2453
01:23:00,870 --> 01:22:59,440
more than that we want att to give us

2454
01:23:03,030 --> 01:23:00,880
unlimited entertainment what else do you

2455
01:23:05,110 --> 01:23:03,040
want a flying car well maybe hbo

2456
01:23:06,470 --> 01:23:05,120
included in our plan how about a unicorn

2457
01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:06,480
and we want to watch all our favorite

2458
01:23:10,070 --> 01:23:08,159
shows without paying overages good luck

2459
01:23:11,910 --> 01:23:10,080
with that and we want all of this plus

2460
01:23:14,870 --> 01:23:11,920
we want to save 25 on our monthly

2461
01:23:16,149 --> 01:23:14,880
directv bill but you can save me 25

2462
01:23:17,830 --> 01:23:16,159
well yeah

2463
01:23:20,229 --> 01:23:17,840
i'm proud of you son

2464
01:23:22,550 --> 01:23:20,239
only a t offers you unlimited data with

2465
01:23:25,030 --> 01:23:22,560
hbo included and never pay overages

2466
01:23:26,950 --> 01:23:25,040
visit your local at t store and get at t

2467
01:23:29,189 --> 01:23:26,960
unlimited plus our best wireless deal

2468
01:23:31,510 --> 01:23:29,199
and unlimited data plus save 25 dollars

2469
01:23:34,070 --> 01:23:31,520
per month on directv

2470
01:23:35,830 --> 01:23:34,080
it's entertainment your way after 22

2471
01:23:37,189 --> 01:23:35,840
gigabytes of data usage 18 team may slow

2472
01:23:38,149 --> 01:23:37,199
speeds plan includes stream saver and

2473
01:23:39,830 --> 01:23:38,159
videos will stream in standard

2474
01:23:41,750 --> 01:23:39,840
definition unless you turn it off 25

2475
01:23:43,030 --> 01:23:41,760
directv savings requires a t unlimited

2476
01:23:44,390 --> 01:23:43,040
plus credit start then three bills

2477
01:23:45,590 --> 01:23:44,400
service prices subject to change other

2478
01:23:47,430 --> 01:23:45,600
usage speed fees charges and

2479
01:23:49,189 --> 01:23:47,440
restrictions applies the att.com

2480
01:23:52,629 --> 01:23:49,199
unlimited for details

2481
01:23:55,510 --> 01:23:52,639
it wasn't a regular knock knock sound

2482
01:23:57,270 --> 01:23:55,520
uh it was just this rapping sound now he

2483
01:23:58,870 --> 01:23:57,280
lives near a college campus so i figure

2484
01:24:00,790 --> 01:23:58,880
it was some drunk kids so he ignored it

2485
01:24:04,310 --> 01:24:00,800
and tried to go back to sleep

2486
01:24:05,590 --> 01:24:04,320
but it kept on about 2 22

2487
01:24:07,590 --> 01:24:05,600
it started again he said i'm going to

2488
01:24:09,669 --> 01:24:07,600
get up and see what this is and he said

2489
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:09,679
there was a girl standing there

2490
01:24:11,750 --> 01:24:10,690
and uh

2491
01:24:13,910 --> 01:24:11,760
[Music]

2492
01:24:15,830 --> 01:24:13,920
tony said she was probably 13 or 14

2493
01:24:17,750 --> 01:24:15,840
years old she was looking down at the

2494
01:24:19,510 --> 01:24:17,760
ground and the first thing she said to

2495
01:24:21,510 --> 01:24:19,520
tony as she was looking down the ground

2496
01:24:24,870 --> 01:24:21,520
not at him

2497
01:24:26,629 --> 01:24:24,880
she said to him they sent me here now

2498
01:24:27,750 --> 01:24:26,639
tony was frightened even though this is

2499
01:24:29,350 --> 01:24:27,760
a little kid he's like what in the

2500
01:24:30,550 --> 01:24:29,360
world's going on this is just really

2501
01:24:32,629 --> 01:24:30,560
strange

2502
01:24:34,950 --> 01:24:32,639
and he says who sent you here and she

2503
01:24:37,270 --> 01:24:34,960
said just please let me in

2504
01:24:38,950 --> 01:24:37,280
he said he felt a cold air sweep over

2505
01:24:41,030 --> 01:24:38,960
him and his stomach was churning he'd

2506
01:24:42,790 --> 01:24:41,040
never felt that way before he hadn't

2507
01:24:45,590 --> 01:24:42,800
made eye contact

2508
01:24:47,750 --> 01:24:45,600
and the girl said please let me in he

2509
01:24:49,030 --> 01:24:47,760
said look i'll go grab a phone i'm not

2510
01:24:50,709 --> 01:24:49,040
going to let you in but you can use a

2511
01:24:52,550 --> 01:24:50,719
phone do you want to call someone right

2512
01:24:55,430 --> 01:24:52,560
and she said no please let me in they

2513
01:24:57,189 --> 01:24:55,440
sent me here and tony got fed up and he

2514
01:24:58,470 --> 01:24:57,199
yelled he said who sent you here i'm

2515
01:24:59,590 --> 01:24:58,480
getting the phone and i'm calling the

2516
01:25:01,350 --> 01:24:59,600
police

2517
01:25:03,510 --> 01:25:01,360
he turned around switch the light on she

2518
01:25:05,590 --> 01:25:03,520
said let me in he said no i'm not

2519
01:25:07,590 --> 01:25:05,600
letting you in she got very agitated she

2520
01:25:09,750 --> 01:25:07,600
kept saying they sent me here and she

2521
01:25:12,149 --> 01:25:09,760
looked up at him and he said

2522
01:25:13,750 --> 01:25:12,159
the girl said this is only going to take

2523
01:25:16,229 --> 01:25:13,760
a minute

2524
01:25:18,070 --> 01:25:16,239
and that was the moment when he realized

2525
01:25:19,750 --> 01:25:18,080
he saw her eyes

2526
01:25:22,870 --> 01:25:19,760
they were totally blacked out not

2527
01:25:25,030 --> 01:25:22,880
dilated pupils but the whole eye itself

2528
01:25:27,669 --> 01:25:25,040
was black he said i put him back on his

2529
01:25:29,510 --> 01:25:27,679
heels then and there he decided that he

2530
01:25:31,189 --> 01:25:29,520
was calling the police

2531
01:25:34,149 --> 01:25:31,199
he turned around grabbed the phone and

2532
01:25:35,750 --> 01:25:34,159
guess what the girl was gone wow he told

2533
01:25:37,189 --> 01:25:35,760
the police what happened they left them

2534
01:25:38,790 --> 01:25:37,199
said you're afraid of a little girl

2535
01:25:42,229 --> 01:25:38,800
knocking on your door

2536
01:25:43,590 --> 01:25:42,239
and he said still i'm was very very

2537
01:25:45,669 --> 01:25:43,600
frightened with this and that it's

2538
01:25:49,110 --> 01:25:45,679
interesting because that maps

2539
01:25:51,350 --> 01:25:49,120
to the bethel story where when

2540
01:25:52,790 --> 01:25:51,360
these kids wanted a ride to their

2541
01:25:55,110 --> 01:25:52,800
mother's house and they had these black

2542
01:25:58,229 --> 01:25:55,120
guys he wouldn't let him in and the boy

2543
01:26:00,229 --> 01:25:58,239
said it won't take long so whatever it

2544
01:26:02,149 --> 01:26:00,239
is that these black-eyed kids do and

2545
01:26:04,229 --> 01:26:02,159
right i don't know what it is it seems

2546
01:26:06,390 --> 01:26:04,239
to be a very fast process it is it's

2547
01:26:07,270 --> 01:26:06,400
stealing your soul i i mean i don't know

2548
01:26:09,189 --> 01:26:07,280
because

2549
01:26:11,830 --> 01:26:09,199
if somebody has had an encounter and he

2550
01:26:13,270 --> 01:26:11,840
has left or she has let them in right

2551
01:26:14,629 --> 01:26:13,280
maybe they don't survive and they can't

2552
01:26:16,229 --> 01:26:14,639
tell us what happened who would know

2553
01:26:18,470 --> 01:26:16,239
they'd be dead

2554
01:26:22,229 --> 01:26:18,480
you know it interesting also is how this

2555
01:26:23,350 --> 01:26:22,239
has cultural cross lines uh asians talk

2556
01:26:25,669 --> 01:26:23,360
about this

2557
01:26:28,629 --> 01:26:25,679
uh there's even uh if you look at the

2558
01:26:31,990 --> 01:26:28,639
old celtic stories uh with the banshee

2559
01:26:34,310 --> 01:26:32,000
the banshee has uh a child type part of

2560
01:26:36,310 --> 01:26:34,320
it as well so it's amazing how many

2561
01:26:37,830 --> 01:26:36,320
cultures have this thing pop up and it's

2562
01:26:40,390 --> 01:26:37,840
you know historically it runs a long

2563
01:26:41,750 --> 01:26:40,400
time now and that's go ahead no sorry

2564
01:26:43,110 --> 01:26:41,760
jim you go ahead please

2565
01:26:44,470 --> 01:26:43,120
no i was just gonna say it's a very good

2566
01:26:45,910 --> 01:26:44,480
point and i think that's weatherly's

2567
01:26:47,669 --> 01:26:45,920
point is that

2568
01:26:49,990 --> 01:26:47,679
they don't call them black eyed kids but

2569
01:26:52,629 --> 01:26:50,000
there's very similar kind of themes

2570
01:26:56,550 --> 01:26:52,639
throughout history right go ahead um

2571
01:26:58,870 --> 01:26:56,560
we heard a couple weeks ago that

2572
01:27:01,510 --> 01:26:58,880
for some reason people in on military

2573
01:27:03,350 --> 01:27:01,520
bases plus over europe and over in the

2574
01:27:04,790 --> 01:27:03,360
u.s have encountered these people have

2575
01:27:07,030 --> 01:27:04,800
you ever heard of that or did it start

2576
01:27:08,629 --> 01:27:07,040
in germany or something

2577
01:27:10,709 --> 01:27:08,639
i hadn't heard that but that's

2578
01:27:12,470 --> 01:27:10,719
interesting to me because that to me

2579
01:27:14,470 --> 01:27:12,480
kind of feeds into the idea that this

2580
01:27:15,669 --> 01:27:14,480
could be tied to something like the men

2581
01:27:17,910 --> 01:27:15,679
in black

2582
01:27:19,830 --> 01:27:17,920
phenomena which i think we're all pretty

2583
01:27:20,790 --> 01:27:19,840
familiar with and the thing to me is

2584
01:27:22,790 --> 01:27:20,800
that

2585
01:27:25,510 --> 01:27:22,800
is there some kind of cross-pollination

2586
01:27:27,189 --> 01:27:25,520
between parts of the military and some

2587
01:27:28,709 --> 01:27:27,199
kind of

2588
01:27:30,310 --> 01:27:28,719
what we would think of as supernatural

2589
01:27:32,950 --> 01:27:30,320
creatures maybe it's something of the

2590
01:27:35,830 --> 01:27:32,960
government's uh creation maybe it's some

2591
01:27:38,229 --> 01:27:35,840
tie-in with aliens or some types of

2592
01:27:41,189 --> 01:27:38,239
hybrids i mean this is all speculation

2593
01:27:43,350 --> 01:27:41,199
but when you hear that co-incidence of

2594
01:27:44,550 --> 01:27:43,360
these things happening happening that

2595
01:27:45,590 --> 01:27:44,560
that really makes you think about it

2596
01:27:47,510 --> 01:27:45,600
well how about this i'm just going to

2597
01:27:49,030 --> 01:27:47,520
throw this out as a crazy theory because

2598
01:27:50,950 --> 01:27:49,040
you guys are

2599
01:27:53,750 --> 01:27:50,960
you know familiar let's say with how the

2600
01:27:56,870 --> 01:27:53,760
u.s intelligence services work

2601
01:27:58,070 --> 01:27:56,880
um everyone here is black children no

2602
01:27:59,669 --> 01:27:58,080
how about this

2603
01:28:01,430 --> 01:27:59,679
how about you throw something really

2604
01:28:04,149 --> 01:28:01,440
crazy out there

2605
01:28:05,430 --> 01:28:04,159
and you measure how far it goes

2606
01:28:07,990 --> 01:28:05,440
you know what i mean

2607
01:28:09,510 --> 01:28:08,000
how wide spread does this you know go

2608
01:28:11,350 --> 01:28:09,520
you know it's just a measurement device

2609
01:28:13,669 --> 01:28:11,360
let's do something really quickly i'm

2610
01:28:17,350 --> 01:28:13,679
sure that lots of those have occurred

2611
01:28:19,350 --> 01:28:17,360
it's just an interesting vehicle to use

2612
01:28:20,950 --> 01:28:19,360
now of course the child thing

2613
01:28:23,110 --> 01:28:20,960
uh and i've heard what you've talked

2614
01:28:25,590 --> 01:28:23,120
about mac about uh the europe part of it

2615
01:28:26,709 --> 01:28:25,600
and a lot of that was the displaced

2616
01:28:28,550 --> 01:28:26,719
persons

2617
01:28:30,950 --> 01:28:28,560
at the end of world war ii

2618
01:28:32,470 --> 01:28:30,960
uh and you know just a huge upheaval

2619
01:28:33,990 --> 01:28:32,480
that occurred right and then you had to

2620
01:28:36,950 --> 01:28:34,000
clamp down with the iron curtain so a

2621
01:28:43,350 --> 01:28:36,960
lot of that you know emanciated children

2622
01:28:46,870 --> 01:28:44,790
pieces that had come out from the war

2623
01:28:48,629 --> 01:28:46,880
itself you know with you know orphans

2624
01:28:49,910 --> 01:28:48,639
and the whole whole nine yards and then

2625
01:28:51,350 --> 01:28:49,920
and then you have a lot of things where

2626
01:28:53,430 --> 01:28:51,360
you have birth defects and things like

2627
01:28:55,350 --> 01:28:53,440
that right i think that fed a lot of

2628
01:28:56,709 --> 01:28:55,360
that plus she just puts in the common

2629
01:28:58,709 --> 01:28:56,719
lore of

2630
01:29:00,709 --> 01:28:58,719
everything that goes on with you know

2631
01:29:02,629 --> 01:29:00,719
bump in the dark right kids that that

2632
01:29:05,590 --> 01:29:02,639
whole kid thing you have a normal

2633
01:29:07,350 --> 01:29:05,600
response that says you're as mammals you

2634
01:29:09,510 --> 01:29:07,360
always want to protect the younger of

2635
01:29:12,070 --> 01:29:09,520
your group that's why we react to baby

2636
01:29:14,070 --> 01:29:12,080
sounds of you know humans and animals

2637
01:29:16,470 --> 01:29:14,080
the way we do um one of the scariest

2638
01:29:18,310 --> 01:29:16,480
twilight zones i can still remember it

2639
01:29:21,030 --> 01:29:18,320
is where they're in the house and they

2640
01:29:23,110 --> 01:29:21,040
can hear the kid inside the inside the

2641
01:29:24,229 --> 01:29:23,120
walls right right she's crossing a

2642
01:29:25,910 --> 01:29:24,239
different convention you know and it's

2643
01:29:27,510 --> 01:29:25,920
like wow

2644
01:29:29,590 --> 01:29:27,520
there's no monsters there's nothing

2645
01:29:31,590 --> 01:29:29,600
crazy it's just you know that's scary

2646
01:29:33,430 --> 01:29:31,600
that's and the window was closing if i

2647
01:29:35,270 --> 01:29:33,440
remember i think remember correctly wow

2648
01:29:37,830 --> 01:29:35,280
yeah and the other the other one is when

2649
01:29:39,430 --> 01:29:37,840
billy mummy who was later on the lost in

2650
01:29:41,669 --> 01:29:39,440
space was wishing everybody into the

2651
01:29:43,669 --> 01:29:41,679
cornfield yeah right you know but that's

2652
01:29:46,470 --> 01:29:43,679
that shows you just like you said that

2653
01:29:48,149 --> 01:29:46,480
juxtaposition the most innocent the the

2654
01:29:50,870 --> 01:29:48,159
the people that we feel the most

2655
01:29:53,189 --> 01:29:50,880
sympathy and empathy toward children

2656
01:29:54,950 --> 01:29:53,199
and then you put the exact opposite on

2657
01:29:56,790 --> 01:29:54,960
these frightening eyes and this

2658
01:29:58,229 --> 01:29:56,800
frightening kind of monotone way of

2659
01:30:00,709 --> 01:29:58,239
speaking which is another thing they

2660
01:30:03,350 --> 01:30:00,719
talk about and and you put that together

2661
01:30:05,350 --> 01:30:03,360
and there's very few things

2662
01:30:07,270 --> 01:30:05,360
more frightening than an evil child

2663
01:30:09,669 --> 01:30:07,280
right sean yeah going back to the bad

2664
01:30:13,110 --> 01:30:09,679
seat i want to ask you one last question

2665
01:30:15,189 --> 01:30:13,120
uh in the mythology of uh the bible

2666
01:30:17,750 --> 01:30:15,199
there is the discussion of what of the

2667
01:30:21,110 --> 01:30:17,760
offspring um between

2668
01:30:22,709 --> 01:30:21,120
uh angelic and humans and it comes up a

2669
01:30:25,350 --> 01:30:22,719
lot that uh

2670
01:30:28,310 --> 01:30:25,360
that is not always a looked upon good

2671
01:30:31,830 --> 01:30:28,320
thing and they follow that much of this

2672
01:30:34,149 --> 01:30:31,840
follows in the black eyed children uh

2673
01:30:36,310 --> 01:30:34,159
situation uh how they're shunned how

2674
01:30:38,149 --> 01:30:36,320
they appear and the

2675
01:30:39,910 --> 01:30:38,159
uh the haunting capabilities that they

2676
01:30:42,310 --> 01:30:39,920
have any connection that you ever come

2677
01:30:44,149 --> 01:30:42,320
across any comment on that

2678
01:30:45,189 --> 01:30:44,159
well i i think one of the most

2679
01:30:47,270 --> 01:30:45,199
interesting

2680
01:30:48,709 --> 01:30:47,280
parts of this is is the idea of

2681
01:30:49,910 --> 01:30:48,719
something this really sounds out there

2682
01:30:52,070 --> 01:30:49,920
because this is an out there

2683
01:30:54,629 --> 01:30:52,080
conversation but some kind of alien

2684
01:30:56,229 --> 01:30:54,639
demon connection and maybe the us

2685
01:30:57,990 --> 01:30:56,239
government in there a little bit as well

2686
01:31:00,310 --> 01:30:58,000
although i'm a big fan of the military

2687
01:31:02,470 --> 01:31:00,320
and applaud what the military does to

2688
01:31:05,510 --> 01:31:02,480
protect us but there are elements that

2689
01:31:07,350 --> 01:31:05,520
do some very strange experimentation and

2690
01:31:08,550 --> 01:31:07,360
and maybe this is somehow tied into

2691
01:31:10,149 --> 01:31:08,560
there i mean this

2692
01:31:12,550 --> 01:31:10,159
you know when you talk about this

2693
01:31:14,830 --> 01:31:12,560
subject you are so far out there because

2694
01:31:18,149 --> 01:31:14,840
everything is basically

2695
01:31:19,189 --> 01:31:18,159
uh i hope i can say this uh a wild ass

2696
01:31:21,510 --> 01:31:19,199
to guess

2697
01:31:23,350 --> 01:31:21,520
because nobody knows nobody knows but i

2698
01:31:24,950 --> 01:31:23,360
can tell you uh

2699
01:31:26,709 --> 01:31:24,960
i believe you know the guy that i was

2700
01:31:30,470 --> 01:31:26,719
speaking to on campfire that told me his

2701
01:31:32,950 --> 01:31:30,480
story was very sincere and uh i believe

2702
01:31:35,430 --> 01:31:32,960
this happens what it is is anybody's

2703
01:31:37,510 --> 01:31:35,440
guess but i i i still think there's some

2704
01:31:38,629 --> 01:31:37,520
tie there between the men and black and

2705
01:31:40,629 --> 01:31:38,639
this i think there's too many

2706
01:31:43,110 --> 01:31:40,639
similarities so if they were let's say

2707
01:31:45,189 --> 01:31:43,120
there were aliens just you know for the

2708
01:31:47,110 --> 01:31:45,199
heck of it what would their game be you

2709
01:31:49,030 --> 01:31:47,120
know what i mean if they're done here on

2710
01:31:50,149 --> 01:31:49,040
earth then there must be

2711
01:31:52,149 --> 01:31:50,159
has to be some kind of super

2712
01:31:54,790 --> 01:31:52,159
intelligence involved

2713
01:31:58,709 --> 01:31:54,800
what what would be their you know

2714
01:32:00,229 --> 01:31:58,719
yeah to send a black guy

2715
01:32:02,629 --> 01:32:00,239
maybe it's observation maybe they're

2716
01:32:04,709 --> 01:32:02,639
trying to see how we react maybe if they

2717
01:32:07,669 --> 01:32:04,719
if you do let them in they do some kind

2718
01:32:09,750 --> 01:32:07,679
of nefarious experiment on you who knows

2719
01:32:12,470 --> 01:32:09,760
um i i mean again i'm

2720
01:32:15,750 --> 01:32:12,480
i believe there's something going on i

2721
01:32:16,870 --> 01:32:15,760
but it may be a very um mundane

2722
01:32:18,390 --> 01:32:16,880
experience

2723
01:32:20,629 --> 01:32:18,400
explanation but i don't know exactly

2724
01:32:22,229 --> 01:32:20,639
what that would be so your guess is as

2725
01:32:24,390 --> 01:32:22,239
good as mine this is one of those topics

2726
01:32:25,830 --> 01:32:24,400
i feel very

2727
01:32:27,910 --> 01:32:25,840
you know i have definite theories on a

2728
01:32:30,070 --> 01:32:27,920
lot of different paranormal things this

2729
01:32:31,669 --> 01:32:30,080
is one where i could go 20 different

2730
01:32:35,030 --> 01:32:31,679
directions right now i'm sorry i have

2731
01:32:36,550 --> 01:32:35,040
that i don't have the answer uh

2732
01:32:39,189 --> 01:32:36,560
is there any recent activity that you

2733
01:32:41,669 --> 01:32:39,199
can talk about that you've noted by the

2734
01:32:43,669 --> 01:32:41,679
way your website is fantastic i uh i

2735
01:32:45,510 --> 01:32:43,679
visited fairly frequently you have a lot

2736
01:32:47,350 --> 01:32:45,520
of good stuff there thank you so much no

2737
01:32:50,070 --> 01:32:47,360
i haven't done a show on black eyed kids

2738
01:32:51,750 --> 01:32:50,080
in a while um i need to get back on that

2739
01:32:53,350 --> 01:32:51,760
topic in fact

2740
01:32:55,750 --> 01:32:53,360
i've toyed with the idea of maybe even

2741
01:32:58,470 --> 01:32:55,760
doing a book on some type

2742
01:33:01,030 --> 01:32:58,480
because it's such a fascinating

2743
01:33:02,709 --> 01:33:01,040
subject and

2744
01:33:05,510 --> 01:33:02,719
nothing that i can report at this time

2745
01:33:07,910 --> 01:33:05,520
but again i really want to investigate

2746
01:33:09,830 --> 01:33:07,920
and look into this tie between the the

2747
01:33:11,430 --> 01:33:09,840
men in black in this because it sounds

2748
01:33:12,790 --> 01:33:11,440
they sound like cousins to me right i

2749
01:33:14,870 --> 01:33:12,800
don't know about you guys but it seems

2750
01:33:16,950 --> 01:33:14,880
like it's the same kind of thing going

2751
01:33:19,110 --> 01:33:16,960
on right very relate but very very much

2752
01:33:19,910 --> 01:33:19,120
related yeah like almost like you know

2753
01:33:23,270 --> 01:33:19,920
they

2754
01:33:24,790 --> 01:33:23,280
reaction is or something it's something

2755
01:33:26,229 --> 01:33:24,800
about getting someone's attention or

2756
01:33:28,310 --> 01:33:26,239
something you know and the other thing

2757
01:33:30,229 --> 01:33:28,320
is is i do believe that the government

2758
01:33:32,070 --> 01:33:30,239
certain parts of the government put

2759
01:33:34,629 --> 01:33:32,080
disinformation out there that's why i

2760
01:33:36,790 --> 01:33:34,639
think for example the ufo phenomena is

2761
01:33:38,870 --> 01:33:36,800
viewed uh as such a joke by the

2762
01:33:40,550 --> 01:33:38,880
mainstream because

2763
01:33:43,430 --> 01:33:40,560
i believe the government's probably put

2764
01:33:45,910 --> 01:33:43,440
a lot of disinformation out there so

2765
01:33:47,270 --> 01:33:45,920
you know haha this is funny laugh at it

2766
01:33:49,030 --> 01:33:47,280
there's nothing to it we saw that with

2767
01:33:50,950 --> 01:33:49,040
the phoenix lights when the governor

2768
01:33:52,629 --> 01:33:50,960
dressed up in an alien suit or whatever

2769
01:33:54,950 --> 01:33:52,639
it was and later came back and said he

2770
01:33:56,709 --> 01:33:54,960
saw him too yeah so it's the idiot

2771
01:33:58,709 --> 01:33:56,719
factor you know nothing nothing to see

2772
01:34:01,189 --> 01:33:58,719
there right nothing yeah exactly i saw

2773
01:34:02,870 --> 01:34:01,199
that conference and he comes out so jim

2774
01:34:04,229 --> 01:34:02,880
there are people who have had encounters

2775
01:34:06,950 --> 01:34:04,239
with black-eyed

2776
01:34:08,790 --> 01:34:06,960
children and survived and lived to tell

2777
01:34:11,430 --> 01:34:08,800
about it or not well i think that the

2778
01:34:13,510 --> 01:34:11,440
key well yeah yeah i mean obviously

2779
01:34:16,310 --> 01:34:13,520
i have one tell me his story uh brian

2780
01:34:19,750 --> 01:34:16,320
bethel told his story to ryan

2781
01:34:22,390 --> 01:34:19,760
ryan sprague um yes there have been but

2782
01:34:23,590 --> 01:34:22,400
i haven't heard as many and again

2783
01:34:25,030 --> 01:34:23,600
if you

2784
01:34:26,950 --> 01:34:25,040
some people believe these are just all

2785
01:34:29,430 --> 01:34:26,960
made up i've never heard the story where

2786
01:34:31,030 --> 01:34:29,440
they let them in and they survive you

2787
01:34:33,430 --> 01:34:31,040
know that's the thing i want to hear the

2788
01:34:35,990 --> 01:34:33,440
story where the person lets them in and

2789
01:34:38,310 --> 01:34:36,000
says okay this is what they did right

2790
01:34:40,870 --> 01:34:38,320
and then they survived that's the story

2791
01:34:42,709 --> 01:34:40,880
that i wanted right right okay wow right

2792
01:34:44,790 --> 01:34:42,719
hey jim harold thanks a lot for joining

2793
01:34:47,270 --> 01:34:44,800
us tonight we really appreciate it

2794
01:34:48,550 --> 01:34:47,280
uh we knew that you were the go-to guy

2795
01:34:50,229 --> 01:34:48,560
when we came up with this subject

2796
01:34:51,830 --> 01:34:50,239
black-eyed children it is one of the

2797
01:34:53,270 --> 01:34:51,840
scariest things out there i mean and the

2798
01:34:55,350 --> 01:34:53,280
whole idea where you can't go to sleep

2799
01:34:56,950 --> 01:34:55,360
after you see them

2800
01:34:58,950 --> 01:34:56,960
frightening oh that's fine

2801
01:35:01,110 --> 01:34:58,960
website is jim harold.com and there's a

2802
01:35:03,189 --> 01:35:01,120
ton of stuff yeah right and also one

2803
01:35:05,430 --> 01:35:03,199
last thing uh check out my new app it's

2804
01:35:07,110 --> 01:35:05,440
totally free jim herald spooky studio

2805
01:35:09,110 --> 01:35:07,120
it's on android and apple and you can

2806
01:35:10,870 --> 01:35:09,120
listen to my free shows there it's

2807
01:35:12,470 --> 01:35:10,880
pretty cool excellent jim harold he's

2808
01:35:14,470 --> 01:35:12,480
the guy thank you jim we'll talk to you

2809
01:35:15,910 --> 01:35:14,480
soon thank you very much thank you guys

2810
01:35:17,510 --> 01:35:15,920
thanks bye-bye

2811
01:35:19,030 --> 01:35:17,520
hey jim harold and now you're listening

2812
01:35:20,629 --> 01:35:19,040
to mcmulley's military spouse show let's

2813
01:35:21,990 --> 01:35:20,639
take a break now we'll be right back

2814
01:35:24,390 --> 01:35:22,000
after this

2815
01:35:26,390 --> 01:35:24,400
over the years air force major hawk

2816
01:35:29,030 --> 01:35:26,400
hunter and his band of patriotic fighter

2817
01:35:31,430 --> 01:35:29,040
pilots have fought tirelessly to reunite

2818
01:35:34,070 --> 01:35:31,440
a fractured america devastated by a

2819
01:35:36,310 --> 01:35:34,080
russian sneak attack

2820
01:35:39,430 --> 01:35:36,320
now returning from a mysterious space

2821
01:35:42,070 --> 01:35:39,440
odyssey hunter finds a huge russian army

2822
01:35:44,229 --> 01:35:42,080
occupying new york city ready to invade

2823
01:35:46,070 --> 01:35:44,239
the rest of america

2824
01:35:48,790 --> 01:35:46,080
buzzing through the city's skyscraper

2825
01:35:50,470 --> 01:35:48,800
canyons in a tiny top-secret ghost plane

2826
01:35:53,189 --> 01:35:50,480
and seeing the invader's massive

2827
01:35:55,030 --> 01:35:53,199
weaponry for himself hawk realizes he's

2828
01:35:57,669 --> 01:35:55,040
up against the greatest danger his

2829
01:35:59,669 --> 01:35:57,679
homeland has ever faced

2830
01:36:01,430 --> 01:35:59,679
but equally alarming are reports

2831
01:36:03,510 --> 01:36:01,440
claiming that hawke's former girlfriend

2832
01:36:05,669 --> 01:36:03,520
dominique is living with the head of the

2833
01:36:06,870 --> 01:36:05,679
russian secret police in a manhattan

2834
01:36:09,590 --> 01:36:06,880
penthouse

2835
01:36:11,510 --> 01:36:09,600
is she his prisoner or is she something

2836
01:36:13,350 --> 01:36:11,520
else

2837
01:36:15,910 --> 01:36:13,360
with the woman in the country he loves

2838
01:36:18,470 --> 01:36:15,920
in dire peril hawk hunter the wingman

2839
01:36:20,149 --> 01:36:18,480
will apply all his aviation prowess to

2840
01:36:23,990 --> 01:36:20,159
launch the most crucial battle for

2841
01:36:26,149 --> 01:36:24,000
america yet no matter what the risks

2842
01:36:28,550 --> 01:36:26,159
filled with fast-paced action a wide

2843
01:36:30,470 --> 01:36:28,560
range of aircraft and military hardware

2844
01:36:32,950 --> 01:36:30,480
battle for america brings back your

2845
01:36:35,270 --> 01:36:32,960
favorite characters from earlier books

2846
01:36:37,830 --> 01:36:35,280
in the wingman series and delivers a

2847
01:36:40,149 --> 01:36:37,840
riveting story that reveals new insight

2848
01:36:41,910 --> 01:36:40,159
on america's most famous hero the

2849
01:36:47,910 --> 01:36:41,920
wingman

2850
01:36:50,510 --> 01:36:47,920
on sale now amazon.com and available at

2851
01:37:12,629 --> 01:36:50,520
your local bookstore

2852
01:37:18,470 --> 01:37:14,790
hi i'm andrew schwarzenegger hear me now

2853
01:37:19,830 --> 01:37:18,480
and listen to me later now here's matt

2854
01:37:21,750 --> 01:37:19,840
welcome back everyone to mcalone's

2855
01:37:24,870 --> 01:37:21,760
military style show here on the distant

2856
01:37:26,310 --> 01:37:24,880
thunder radio network this is me

2857
01:37:27,910 --> 01:37:26,320
in the studio with us tonight

2858
01:37:29,910 --> 01:37:27,920
seventeenth week in a row the very

2859
01:37:31,270 --> 01:37:29,920
famous one one is going for a record i

2860
01:37:32,629 --> 01:37:31,280
think this is the record this is a

2861
01:37:35,109 --> 01:37:32,639
record i think it's a record back at two

2862
01:37:35,990 --> 01:37:35,119
or three frankly but you're here wise

2863
01:37:37,109 --> 01:37:36,000
guy

2864
01:37:39,430 --> 01:37:37,119
all right he's trying to be nice to you

2865
01:37:41,270 --> 01:37:39,440
and now you're turning in

2866
01:37:42,470 --> 01:37:41,280
coco is also on the phone the street

2867
01:37:44,070 --> 01:37:42,480
name for

2868
01:37:45,430 --> 01:37:44,080
commander cobra at an undisclosed

2869
01:37:47,189 --> 01:37:45,440
location

2870
01:37:48,950 --> 01:37:47,199
good evening gentlemen who's there

2871
01:37:51,669 --> 01:37:48,960
should i say

2872
01:37:53,350 --> 01:37:51,679
gents he's just not it must be code

2873
01:37:55,350 --> 01:37:53,360
that's the truth

2874
01:37:57,030 --> 01:37:55,360
how are you geez how are you hanging my

2875
01:37:58,390 --> 01:37:57,040
jeez

2876
01:38:01,350 --> 01:37:58,400
what's he get what am i missing out the

2877
01:38:05,590 --> 01:38:03,830
he's in his own little world also

2878
01:38:06,470 --> 01:38:05,600
speaking about being in their own little

2879
01:38:10,229 --> 01:38:06,480
world

2880
01:38:12,390 --> 01:38:10,239
murder capital of the planet

2881
01:38:14,790 --> 01:38:12,400
graveyard of beloved presidents rob

2882
01:38:16,470 --> 01:38:14,800
beckhausen calling in reporting in from

2883
01:38:18,470 --> 01:38:16,480
dallas the big g

2884
01:38:19,669 --> 01:38:18,480
hello there you go hey listen before we

2885
01:38:21,910 --> 01:38:19,679
start

2886
01:38:24,149 --> 01:38:21,920
um i meant to bring this up last week

2887
01:38:26,790 --> 01:38:24,159
have you seen has anyone seen the movie

2888
01:38:28,950 --> 01:38:26,800
jackie about dracula known as a chat

2889
01:38:30,310 --> 01:38:28,960
now you got to see it you got to see it

2890
01:38:31,590 --> 01:38:30,320
and i think pistol peter's the one who

2891
01:38:34,310 --> 01:38:31,600
told me he says you want to see a really

2892
01:38:37,669 --> 01:38:34,320
weird movie i said yeah sure he goes see

2893
01:38:39,590 --> 01:38:37,679
jackie i said you know but yep and i'm

2894
01:38:41,350 --> 01:38:39,600
telling you he did not misspeak it's the

2895
01:38:43,510 --> 01:38:41,360
strangest one of the strangest movies

2896
01:38:45,510 --> 01:38:43,520
i've ever seen i went to film school

2897
01:38:47,430 --> 01:38:45,520
okay nelly portman

2898
01:38:49,350 --> 01:38:47,440
plays jacqueline on nasa's right she's

2899
01:38:50,470 --> 01:38:49,360
like in every shot

2900
01:38:52,629 --> 01:38:50,480
but

2901
01:38:55,669 --> 01:38:52,639
if one tenth of what

2902
01:38:57,510 --> 01:38:55,679
the movie claims is true how jackie o

2903
01:38:59,030 --> 01:38:57,520
acted in the it's all just the four days

2904
01:39:00,629 --> 01:38:59,040
after he gets shot

2905
01:39:02,550 --> 01:39:00,639
what she did in those four days if it's

2906
01:39:05,270 --> 01:39:02,560
true it's like woofer

2907
01:39:07,030 --> 01:39:05,280
man she was more than a handful let's

2908
01:39:08,629 --> 01:39:07,040
put that one but i would suggest anyone

2909
01:39:10,709 --> 01:39:08,639
to say just if you want to see it uh

2910
01:39:12,550 --> 01:39:10,719
kind of like not only is it on netflix

2911
01:39:14,870 --> 01:39:12,560
yeah yeah we watched it on demand yeah

2912
01:39:16,550 --> 01:39:14,880
i'll i'll i'll take a peek at it but

2913
01:39:18,629 --> 01:39:16,560
let's just review what uh that young

2914
01:39:20,550 --> 01:39:18,639
lady went through uh

2915
01:39:22,390 --> 01:39:20,560
they started off those four days yeah oh

2916
01:39:23,990 --> 01:39:22,400
yeah and they go into depth in that they

2917
01:39:25,830 --> 01:39:24,000
really do and and

2918
01:39:27,910 --> 01:39:25,840
and you're behind her you know you're

2919
01:39:29,750 --> 01:39:27,920
behind it but then

2920
01:39:31,669 --> 01:39:29,760
i you just got to see it you just got to

2921
01:39:32,950 --> 01:39:31,679
see it you know when you think about it

2922
01:39:34,629 --> 01:39:32,960
they walked down the middle of

2923
01:39:37,189 --> 01:39:34,639
washington

2924
01:39:39,350 --> 01:39:37,199
walked all right with the with the

2925
01:39:41,189 --> 01:39:39,360
cascade of you know houses pulling his

2926
01:39:43,350 --> 01:39:41,199
casket it was basically a recreation of

2927
01:39:44,870 --> 01:39:43,360
abraham lincoln's funeral okay

2928
01:39:46,950 --> 01:39:44,880
the secret service i never really

2929
01:39:48,629 --> 01:39:46,960
thought about they went freaking nuts

2930
01:39:50,470 --> 01:39:48,639
you the president just got shot now you

2931
01:39:52,550 --> 01:39:50,480
want to have every leader in the world

2932
01:39:53,510 --> 01:39:52,560
and you and everyone walking down the

2933
01:39:55,750 --> 01:39:53,520
street

2934
01:39:57,189 --> 01:39:55,760
and and she said yeah and she just you

2935
01:39:59,350 --> 01:39:57,199
know hung in there and that's why it

2936
01:40:01,189 --> 01:39:59,360
happened but from a security point of

2937
01:40:03,350 --> 01:40:01,199
view it wasn't just like our politicians

2938
01:40:05,109 --> 01:40:03,360
but literally like 100 people from 100

2939
01:40:07,109 --> 01:40:05,119
kings from around the world

2940
01:40:08,629 --> 01:40:07,119
anyway it's an interesting movie jackie

2941
01:40:09,990 --> 01:40:08,639
that's you know i will put it in my

2942
01:40:11,270 --> 01:40:10,000
queue very strange

2943
01:40:12,870 --> 01:40:11,280
so rob what's happening down there in

2944
01:40:14,149 --> 01:40:12,880
the big d

2945
01:40:15,830 --> 01:40:14,159
um

2946
01:40:18,310 --> 01:40:15,840
what's going on a

2947
01:40:20,709 --> 01:40:18,320
tanker a semi truck caught fire and blew

2948
01:40:22,870 --> 01:40:20,719
up on the highway next to me um but

2949
01:40:25,270 --> 01:40:22,880
actually next to you yeah yeah you know

2950
01:40:26,470 --> 01:40:25,280
what it was well it was in the area but

2951
01:40:27,990 --> 01:40:26,480
it wasn't right next to me that would

2952
01:40:29,430 --> 01:40:28,000
happen

2953
01:40:32,629 --> 01:40:29,440
i don't mean to embellish that might be

2954
01:40:35,030 --> 01:40:32,639
embellished was it nighttime or daytime

2955
01:40:37,350 --> 01:40:35,040
daytime oh wow okay the driver get out

2956
01:40:39,750 --> 01:40:37,360
or yeah no one was everyone was fine

2957
01:40:42,229 --> 01:40:39,760
okay it's all good okay wow yeah

2958
01:40:43,510 --> 01:40:42,239
dropping a bucket situation normal yeah

2959
01:40:45,109 --> 01:40:43,520
yeah not a whole lot's going down the

2960
01:40:46,790 --> 01:40:45,119
weather's actually pretty nice right now

2961
01:40:50,629 --> 01:40:46,800
which is unusual because normally what's

2962
01:40:53,669 --> 01:40:50,639
the status of the feral dog situation um

2963
01:40:56,709 --> 01:40:53,679
the feral dog situation is it's not as

2964
01:40:57,750 --> 01:40:56,719
cool still really bad

2965
01:40:59,669 --> 01:40:57,760
wow

2966
01:41:01,830 --> 01:40:59,679
well if we've been talking about it for

2967
01:41:03,669 --> 01:41:01,840
almost a year now those 9 000 dogs are

2968
01:41:04,709 --> 01:41:03,679
probably around 11 000 dogs at this

2969
01:41:07,109 --> 01:41:04,719
point right

2970
01:41:09,990 --> 01:41:07,119
yeah yeah dogs

2971
01:41:12,550 --> 01:41:10,000
so anyway so we had a guest on earlier

2972
01:41:15,669 --> 01:41:12,560
tonight chris ah who is a military

2973
01:41:17,910 --> 01:41:15,679
investigator for the navy the ncis

2974
01:41:18,950 --> 01:41:17,920
he was stationed in honolulu but he's

2975
01:41:20,950 --> 01:41:18,960
been through

2976
01:41:24,229 --> 01:41:20,960
the haunted africa he actually went on

2977
01:41:27,189 --> 01:41:24,239
anti-pirate raids um way back when 2008

2978
01:41:29,350 --> 01:41:27,199
or so 2010 2011.

2979
01:41:30,950 --> 01:41:29,360
um we asked him

2980
01:41:33,350 --> 01:41:30,960
with the worst play he's been everywhere

2981
01:41:35,669 --> 01:41:33,360
he listed the list of places he went was

2982
01:41:37,510 --> 01:41:35,679
just unbelievable you know

2983
01:41:40,229 --> 01:41:37,520
oh wow i want to say after every single

2984
01:41:42,070 --> 01:41:40,239
one of them diarrhea diarrhea you know

2985
01:41:44,149 --> 01:41:42,080
but we asked him what's the first what's

2986
01:41:47,750 --> 01:41:44,159
the worst place he was too can you guess

2987
01:41:49,830 --> 01:41:47,760
what it was worst place he's ever been

2988
01:41:51,030 --> 01:41:49,840
to

2989
01:41:53,910 --> 01:41:51,040
um

2990
01:41:54,870 --> 01:41:53,920
somalia whoa

2991
01:41:56,870 --> 01:41:54,880
no

2992
01:41:58,310 --> 01:41:56,880
it was djibouti

2993
01:42:00,070 --> 01:41:58,320
pretty close yeah

2994
01:42:02,149 --> 01:42:00,080
right north

2995
01:42:04,229 --> 01:42:02,159
pin the tail on the continent not too

2996
01:42:05,990 --> 01:42:04,239
far off and they said he said and that

2997
01:42:07,510 --> 01:42:06,000
you know i heard about it he says just

2998
01:42:10,229 --> 01:42:07,520
everything is just

2999
01:42:13,270 --> 01:42:10,239
dirty you know just dirty and hot

3000
01:42:15,430 --> 01:42:13,280
and he i would imagine that the also uh

3001
01:42:18,629 --> 01:42:15,440
tensions between the locals and the us

3002
01:42:20,790 --> 01:42:18,639
military personnel yeah um you know and

3003
01:42:22,870 --> 01:42:20,800
not a lot of beauty uh american

3004
01:42:25,189 --> 01:42:22,880
friendship clubs uh branches popping but

3005
01:42:26,870 --> 01:42:25,199
don't they launch a lot of secret stuff

3006
01:42:30,149 --> 01:42:26,880
from there and don't they a lot of you a

3007
01:42:34,390 --> 01:42:31,669
that's correct and and uh the french

3008
01:42:36,870 --> 01:42:34,400
flower and legion they used to have a um

3009
01:42:39,590 --> 01:42:36,880
that was their outpost is it still there

3010
01:42:41,109 --> 01:42:39,600
i think it is wow

3011
01:42:42,950 --> 01:42:41,119
yeah there's a french part of it i

3012
01:42:45,189 --> 01:42:42,960
believe there is special ops going all

3013
01:42:46,950 --> 01:42:45,199
over africa into yemen yeah right yeah

3014
01:42:47,830 --> 01:42:46,960
and it's it's right there we should do

3015
01:42:57,830 --> 01:42:47,840
it

3016
01:42:59,590 --> 01:42:57,840
we should do a show about the french

3017
01:43:01,189 --> 01:42:59,600
foreign legion some night i've read a

3018
01:43:02,950 --> 01:43:01,199
lot about them and you wouldn't believe

3019
01:43:04,870 --> 01:43:02,960
what these guys do and basically they

3020
01:43:06,470 --> 01:43:04,880
fly you to djibouti

3021
01:43:08,709 --> 01:43:06,480
after they've beaten the crap out of you

3022
01:43:11,109 --> 01:43:08,719
at their uh base in france you go to

3023
01:43:12,470 --> 01:43:11,119
beauty and they literally just drop you

3024
01:43:14,390 --> 01:43:12,480
out in the middle of the desert and they

3025
01:43:16,629 --> 01:43:14,400
if you make it back you know we'll talk

3026
01:43:19,189 --> 01:43:16,639
about continuing that's how they drink

3027
01:43:21,910 --> 01:43:19,199
and it's it's crazy what they do it's

3028
01:43:23,830 --> 01:43:21,920
just crazy but if you're in it

3029
01:43:25,510 --> 01:43:23,840
you just well you're also you're still

3030
01:43:27,109 --> 01:43:25,520
crazy but you know they send them like

3031
01:43:29,350 --> 01:43:27,119
20 of those guys

3032
01:43:31,270 --> 01:43:29,360
and uh you know the situation is usually

3033
01:43:33,990 --> 01:43:31,280
resolved you know in the night or

3034
01:43:35,109 --> 01:43:34,000
whatever they also do oh sorry go on no

3035
01:43:37,510 --> 01:43:35,119
go ahead please

3036
01:43:39,750 --> 01:43:37,520
we should do an episode on just french

3037
01:43:41,430 --> 01:43:39,760
the way of french warfare in general is

3038
01:43:43,669 --> 01:43:41,440
actually pretty is really interesting to

3039
01:43:45,590 --> 01:43:43,679
me it's this very lean expeditionary

3040
01:43:47,910 --> 01:43:45,600
style of fighting the foreign legion

3041
01:43:50,229 --> 01:43:47,920
ties into that but it's it goes way back

3042
01:43:52,229 --> 01:43:50,239
and they they they still use rifle

3043
01:43:54,390 --> 01:43:52,239
grenades which you know are like the

3044
01:43:56,149 --> 01:43:54,400
kind of rifle uh you know not the

3045
01:43:57,669 --> 01:43:56,159
underslung grenade launchers but you

3046
01:43:59,750 --> 01:43:57,679
know the old-fashioned style rifle

3047
01:44:02,310 --> 01:43:59,760
grenades uh they're replacing their

3048
01:44:03,750 --> 01:44:02,320
their battle rifles with an ar type but

3049
01:44:05,590 --> 01:44:03,760
they they're getting them custom-made so

3050
01:44:07,830 --> 01:44:05,600
they have bayonets yeah it's very

3051
01:44:09,430 --> 01:44:07,840
old-fashioned it's very lean it's it's

3052
01:44:11,109 --> 01:44:09,440
uh it's very different it's like hey

3053
01:44:12,550 --> 01:44:11,119
maybe we'll have trench wafer again you

3054
01:44:14,390 --> 01:44:12,560
know or something

3055
01:44:17,189 --> 01:44:14,400
but uh one thing about the farm legion

3056
01:44:18,629 --> 01:44:17,199
too is they gave schwarzkopf they made

3057
01:44:20,709 --> 01:44:18,639
him in a

3058
01:44:22,790 --> 01:44:20,719
like an honorary you know foreign

3059
01:44:24,950 --> 01:44:22,800
legionnaire right and they interviewed

3060
01:44:27,189 --> 01:44:24,960
him this is after uh you know the first

3061
01:44:29,830 --> 01:44:27,199
gulf war and he said as i was leaving

3062
01:44:31,910 --> 01:44:29,840
the ceremony they gave me a coin

3063
01:44:35,430 --> 01:44:31,920
and on the back of the coin is a 1 800

3064
01:44:38,310 --> 01:44:35,440
number and the guy said if you ever find

3065
01:44:39,669 --> 01:44:38,320
yourself in trouble yeah nowhere no

3066
01:44:41,910 --> 01:44:39,679
matter where you are in the world call

3067
01:44:43,990 --> 01:44:41,920
this number and we'll come and get you

3068
01:44:45,669 --> 01:44:44,000
how about that okay that's okay that's

3069
01:44:47,350 --> 01:44:45,679
the that's the guardian angel looking

3070
01:44:49,030 --> 01:44:47,360
over your back if you're staying long

3071
01:44:51,189 --> 01:44:49,040
enough you'll get that coin you'll get

3072
01:44:53,109 --> 01:44:51,199
that freaking coin nice yeah it is nice

3073
01:44:56,149 --> 01:44:53,119
yeah with your uh with your retirement

3074
01:44:58,390 --> 01:44:56,159
i've met uh when i was in fiji

3075
01:44:59,669 --> 01:44:58,400
um i met a couple of the folks that had

3076
01:45:01,990 --> 01:44:59,679
just recently retired they were

3077
01:45:04,310 --> 01:45:02,000
americans and they had joined the legion

3078
01:45:05,669 --> 01:45:04,320
and they completed their tour and every

3079
01:45:07,669 --> 01:45:05,679
time their homes rather than doing nice

3080
01:45:10,310 --> 01:45:07,679
parts of france down in the uh south

3081
01:45:12,070 --> 01:45:10,320
african stuff yeah yeah so but what you

3082
01:45:13,430 --> 01:45:12,080
have to do to go through what makes them

3083
01:45:15,350 --> 01:45:13,440
so effective

3084
01:45:17,109 --> 01:45:15,360
they just train like crazy they're mad

3085
01:45:19,669 --> 01:45:17,119
men okay and

3086
01:45:23,270 --> 01:45:19,679
and the reason the french foreign legion

3087
01:45:25,350 --> 01:45:23,280
exists is so that there is not um

3088
01:45:26,149 --> 01:45:25,360
any hands-on

3089
01:45:27,590 --> 01:45:26,159
um

3090
01:45:29,430 --> 01:45:27,600
problems yes no they don't have much

3091
01:45:32,470 --> 01:45:29,440
questions about rules of engagement they

3092
01:45:34,470 --> 01:45:32,480
don't have a lot of uh you as max says

3093
01:45:37,590 --> 01:45:34,480
they are sent to go get something done

3094
01:45:39,430 --> 01:45:37,600
and they get it done and that's it

3095
01:45:41,910 --> 01:45:39,440
i mean they their

3096
01:45:44,149 --> 01:45:41,920
their actions in places like algeria

3097
01:45:46,070 --> 01:45:44,159
when they had a counterinsurgency are

3098
01:45:48,070 --> 01:45:46,080
still studied today because of how

3099
01:45:50,470 --> 01:45:48,080
quickly and how effective they were and

3100
01:45:52,709 --> 01:45:50,480
and also they drop them right into stuff

3101
01:45:55,030 --> 01:45:52,719
too that's another thing too it's it's

3102
01:45:56,470 --> 01:45:55,040
you know it's um right like blitzkrieg

3103
01:45:58,229 --> 01:45:56,480
almost like you know it's like boom

3104
01:45:59,590 --> 01:45:58,239
they're there and and they're trained to

3105
01:46:00,790 --> 01:45:59,600
just go and i basically think they just

3106
01:46:02,790 --> 01:46:00,800
go and just shoot everyone up or

3107
01:46:04,470 --> 01:46:02,800
whatever you know but they were sit

3108
01:46:06,229 --> 01:46:04,480
there with a situation in the congo you

3109
01:46:07,590 --> 01:46:06,239
know maybe 20 years ago they've been

3110
01:46:09,270 --> 01:46:07,600
fasting for like about two or three

3111
01:46:11,510 --> 01:46:09,280
years people getting nasty and stuff

3112
01:46:13,350 --> 01:46:11,520
like that finally you know the political

3113
01:46:15,270 --> 01:46:13,360
wheels got to the point where they said

3114
01:46:17,669 --> 01:46:15,280
well you know it's a form of french

3115
01:46:19,750 --> 01:46:17,679
colony leave it to them they send in the

3116
01:46:21,750 --> 01:46:19,760
legionnaires like 40 of them and it's

3117
01:46:23,990 --> 01:46:21,760
over the next morning

3118
01:46:24,870 --> 01:46:24,000
i mean seriously that's how effective

3119
01:46:27,189 --> 01:46:24,880
they are

3120
01:46:29,270 --> 01:46:27,199
well they have to make do with less as

3121
01:46:30,709 --> 01:46:29,280
well um because you know the french

3122
01:46:33,430 --> 01:46:30,719
military doesn't have

3123
01:46:35,830 --> 01:46:33,440
um you know it's you know it's it's

3124
01:46:38,550 --> 01:46:35,840
doesn't have um can't rely on a lot of

3125
01:46:40,790 --> 01:46:38,560
stuff the u.s military relies on

3126
01:46:43,030 --> 01:46:40,800
drones uh satellite imagery i mean we

3127
01:46:43,910 --> 01:46:43,040
get they get that but

3128
01:46:45,430 --> 01:46:43,920
yeah

3129
01:46:48,070 --> 01:46:45,440
i mean they're they're

3130
01:46:50,550 --> 01:46:48,080
they're very lean yeah and so that

3131
01:46:52,310 --> 01:46:50,560
incentivizes them to get the job done do

3132
01:46:53,189 --> 01:46:52,320
it quickly um

3133
01:46:55,750 --> 01:46:53,199
not

3134
01:46:58,070 --> 01:46:55,760
these big army occupation type stuff

3135
01:47:01,270 --> 01:46:58,080
they don't really do you know they they

3136
01:47:03,350 --> 01:47:01,280
get in they they they you know

3137
01:47:05,430 --> 01:47:03,360
try to have clearly defined objectives

3138
01:47:07,430 --> 01:47:05,440
right clearly to find mission

3139
01:47:08,950 --> 01:47:07,440
and carry it out and then leave which is

3140
01:47:10,950 --> 01:47:08,960
usually the smart way of doing things

3141
01:47:12,629 --> 01:47:10,960
you know a lot of times people don't do

3142
01:47:14,149 --> 01:47:12,639
it that way you know the

3143
01:47:16,390 --> 01:47:14,159
guys that i had met that were americans

3144
01:47:18,629 --> 01:47:16,400
said their biggest problem was that with

3145
01:47:20,229 --> 01:47:18,639
they didn't have operations

3146
01:47:22,149 --> 01:47:20,239
was the infighting because of the

3147
01:47:23,350 --> 01:47:22,159
different groups of legionnaires that

3148
01:47:25,109 --> 01:47:23,360
were brought in

3149
01:47:26,390 --> 01:47:25,119
uh not everyone speaks french or speaks

3150
01:47:28,229 --> 01:47:26,400
it well

3151
01:47:29,510 --> 01:47:28,239
you have different countries different

3152
01:47:31,750 --> 01:47:29,520
uh

3153
01:47:34,870 --> 01:47:31,760
motivations to go through

3154
01:47:35,990 --> 01:47:34,880
and uh that's uh

3155
01:47:37,350 --> 01:47:36,000
that's a huge problem and i asked him

3156
01:47:39,270 --> 01:47:37,360
well what were the best of the fighters

3157
01:47:41,109 --> 01:47:39,280
and he said the samoans were by far the

3158
01:47:42,070 --> 01:47:41,119
uh probably the the the best group he

3159
01:47:43,910 --> 01:47:42,080
had ever seen

3160
01:47:45,910 --> 01:47:43,920
they make really good offensive linemen

3161
01:47:48,149 --> 01:47:45,920
too as it turns out yeah who won one of

3162
01:47:49,430 --> 01:47:48,159
those guys

3163
01:47:51,510 --> 01:47:49,440
you know i could believe it and i know

3164
01:47:53,910 --> 01:47:51,520
that that i mean you can just show up at

3165
01:47:55,910 --> 01:47:53,920
the the you know french foreign legion

3166
01:47:57,350 --> 01:47:55,920
headquarters in paris it's a famous

3167
01:47:59,430 --> 01:47:57,360
address and you just literally go and

3168
01:48:00,629 --> 01:47:59,440
knock on the door and they bring you in

3169
01:48:02,070 --> 01:48:00,639
why are you here

3170
01:48:03,270 --> 01:48:02,080
they do ask you if you have a criminal

3171
01:48:05,430 --> 01:48:03,280
record but they don't really do a

3172
01:48:07,109 --> 01:48:05,440
background check so on and so forth then

3173
01:48:09,590 --> 01:48:07,119
the first thing they do is they bring

3174
01:48:11,910 --> 01:48:09,600
you out to a track yeah but they have a

3175
01:48:14,070 --> 01:48:11,920
you know like a track in the middle of

3176
01:48:16,070 --> 01:48:14,080
their headquarters a running track right

3177
01:48:18,070 --> 01:48:16,080
and they say uh how fast can you run a

3178
01:48:20,310 --> 01:48:18,080
mile yup this is the first before you're

3179
01:48:21,750 --> 01:48:20,320
in street clothes you know and whatever

3180
01:48:23,590 --> 01:48:21,760
you say

3181
01:48:25,030 --> 01:48:23,600
you know it better be a number that they

3182
01:48:26,470 --> 01:48:25,040
like or they just let you go and that's

3183
01:48:28,070 --> 01:48:26,480
how they get rid of like 90 people

3184
01:48:29,830 --> 01:48:28,080
because they can't do it you know but

3185
01:48:31,990 --> 01:48:29,840
the ones who come there prepared okay

3186
01:48:34,629 --> 01:48:32,000
now we can talk about the next step and

3187
01:48:36,149 --> 01:48:34,639
they basically bring it to another uh

3188
01:48:39,669 --> 01:48:36,159
basin i think it's breast or it's

3189
01:48:42,149 --> 01:48:39,679
spelled b-r-e-s-t raised raised

3190
01:48:43,590 --> 01:48:42,159
magical word of the lincoln anyway uh

3191
01:48:45,510 --> 01:48:43,600
where they literally beat the hell out

3192
01:48:47,350 --> 01:48:45,520
of you they are they are

3193
01:48:49,270 --> 01:48:47,360
authorized not authorized but they can

3194
01:48:51,990 --> 01:48:49,280
actually hit you they shoot real

3195
01:48:53,910 --> 01:48:52,000
ammunition during the uh you know

3196
01:48:55,350 --> 01:48:53,920
and then you're there for six weeks

3197
01:48:56,470 --> 01:48:55,360
and if you make it through that that's

3198
01:49:02,070 --> 01:48:56,480
when they put you in the plane and they

3199
01:49:05,510 --> 01:49:03,510
a 40 mile

3200
01:49:07,030 --> 01:49:05,520
walk in the desert with like 50 pounds

3201
01:49:08,149 --> 01:49:07,040
of boulders in your knapsack and this

3202
01:49:09,990 --> 01:49:08,159
kind of stuff

3203
01:49:12,550 --> 01:49:10,000
but if you make it you're tough as nails

3204
01:49:13,990 --> 01:49:12,560
you know you're tough now so

3205
01:49:15,910 --> 01:49:14,000
but hey do you get it you get a coin

3206
01:49:17,510 --> 01:49:15,920
right with a phone number on it to bail

3207
01:49:18,870 --> 01:49:17,520
you out yeah wow

3208
01:49:20,470 --> 01:49:18,880
i just get i just get roadside

3209
01:49:22,149 --> 01:49:20,480
assistance that's all i have right yeah

3210
01:49:26,149 --> 01:49:22,159
triple a will not

3211
01:49:27,990 --> 01:49:26,159
feel pretty uh inadequate so um so we so

3212
01:49:30,450 --> 01:49:28,000
anyway we started talking about you know

3213
01:49:31,830 --> 01:49:30,460
pirate and how pirates you know have um

3214
01:49:33,430 --> 01:49:31,840
[Music]

3215
01:49:34,790 --> 01:49:33,440
you know kind of diminished chris i said

3216
01:49:36,149 --> 01:49:34,800
you know the threat isn't what it used

3217
01:49:38,149 --> 01:49:36,159
to be because everyone kind of figured

3218
01:49:39,750 --> 01:49:38,159
out the scam and so on and so forth but

3219
01:49:41,189 --> 01:49:39,760
i saw this thing on youtube the other

3220
01:49:42,550 --> 01:49:41,199
day and i saw and

3221
01:49:44,070 --> 01:49:42,560
i saw what i thought was the real

3222
01:49:46,310 --> 01:49:44,080
solution is that a lot of these ships

3223
01:49:49,910 --> 01:49:46,320
now have private security guards and

3224
01:49:52,229 --> 01:49:49,920
they get you know m60s and m16s and and

3225
01:49:53,990 --> 01:49:52,239
the work and grenade launches and

3226
01:49:55,109 --> 01:49:54,000
this go right on youtube and you can see

3227
01:49:57,189 --> 01:49:55,119
them they're

3228
01:49:59,350 --> 01:49:57,199
you know blowing these guys up before

3229
01:50:00,470 --> 01:49:59,360
they even get to clear the ship so their

3230
01:50:01,830 --> 01:50:00,480
private security companies have a

3231
01:50:03,109 --> 01:50:01,840
security guard and there was a time when

3232
01:50:04,709 --> 01:50:03,119
you weren't supposed to bring guns on

3233
01:50:06,629 --> 01:50:04,719
like especially oil tankers and stuff

3234
01:50:07,510 --> 01:50:06,639
like that the merchant marine were

3235
01:50:09,109 --> 01:50:07,520
crying

3236
01:50:11,669 --> 01:50:09,119
they couldn't carry but i guess now they

3237
01:50:13,990 --> 01:50:11,679
kind of you know

3238
01:50:16,149 --> 01:50:14,000
look past that so rob is that

3239
01:50:18,149 --> 01:50:16,159
roulette to keep it uh with the french

3240
01:50:20,149 --> 01:50:18,159
let the good times roll there you go

3241
01:50:22,070 --> 01:50:20,159
pack and heat bring it on board yeah

3242
01:50:23,669 --> 01:50:22,080
yeah and then i mean that probably put

3243
01:50:25,189 --> 01:50:23,679
it into it more than anything else right

3244
01:50:27,510 --> 01:50:25,199
i know

3245
01:50:29,350 --> 01:50:27,520
uh yeah so i haven't um heard the

3246
01:50:31,750 --> 01:50:29,360
previous segment so um i might be

3247
01:50:33,590 --> 01:50:31,760
covering you know well-worn uh territory

3248
01:50:35,030 --> 01:50:33,600
here but that's okay you know there's

3249
01:50:37,510 --> 01:50:35,040
really three

3250
01:50:39,669 --> 01:50:37,520
i mean yeah piracy is at a low now uh

3251
01:50:41,270 --> 01:50:39,679
probably is that a low it's at the

3252
01:50:43,669 --> 01:50:41,280
lowest point since the late 90s there

3253
01:50:46,229 --> 01:50:43,679
was a there was a real spike that got a

3254
01:50:47,750 --> 01:50:46,239
lot of uh a lot of media attention too

3255
01:50:49,510 --> 01:50:47,760
you know pirates on the loose and so on

3256
01:50:52,149 --> 01:50:49,520
and there was a spike that really peaked

3257
01:50:54,709 --> 01:50:52,159
in around 2011. okay um particularly off

3258
01:50:55,590 --> 01:50:54,719
the coast of somalia in the gulf of aden

3259
01:50:57,669 --> 01:50:55,600
area

3260
01:51:00,470 --> 01:50:57,679
and um today that's

3261
01:51:02,310 --> 01:51:00,480
it's really declined off of somalia it's

3262
01:51:04,629 --> 01:51:02,320
largely concentrated in

3263
01:51:07,430 --> 01:51:04,639
southeast asia there's a lot of maritime

3264
01:51:09,750 --> 01:51:07,440
traffic and also um west africa so you

3265
01:51:11,189 --> 01:51:09,760
know off the coast of nigeria and

3266
01:51:13,189 --> 01:51:11,199
you know these big tankers that were you

3267
01:51:16,310 --> 01:51:13,199
know passing somali and these

3268
01:51:17,910 --> 01:51:16,320
you know what are really just you know

3269
01:51:20,070 --> 01:51:17,920
stupid uns not particularly

3270
01:51:22,550 --> 01:51:20,080
sophisticated criminal groups yep that's

3271
01:51:24,950 --> 01:51:22,560
kids really um going out there and

3272
01:51:26,870 --> 01:51:24,960
snagging these multi-million dollar

3273
01:51:27,990 --> 01:51:26,880
ships and being able to ransom them them

3274
01:51:30,229 --> 01:51:28,000
off and so

3275
01:51:31,510 --> 01:51:30,239
really there are three things

3276
01:51:32,830 --> 01:51:31,520
that the

3277
01:51:35,430 --> 01:51:32,840
industry

3278
01:51:37,430 --> 01:51:35,440
governments um

3279
01:51:39,350 --> 01:51:37,440
learned about this which is if you want

3280
01:51:41,750 --> 01:51:39,360
to fight the pirates you need to do

3281
01:51:43,990 --> 01:51:41,760
really three things or two things that

3282
01:51:46,790 --> 01:51:44,000
tie into a third thing okay and the the

3283
01:51:48,950 --> 01:51:46,800
first thing is defend the ships um you

3284
01:51:51,430 --> 01:51:48,960
know you empower the skippers

3285
01:51:54,229 --> 01:51:51,440
to really you know learn how to protect

3286
01:51:56,629 --> 01:51:54,239
themselves um and that ranges from

3287
01:51:58,390 --> 01:51:56,639
uh best practices you know everything

3288
01:52:00,229 --> 01:51:58,400
from there's even books free books you

3289
01:52:02,950 --> 01:52:00,239
can download and read exactly how to

3290
01:52:04,790 --> 01:52:02,960
armor and protect a ship you know using

3291
01:52:06,709 --> 01:52:04,800
security glass film

3292
01:52:09,030 --> 01:52:06,719
uh to you know so the glass won't

3293
01:52:10,950 --> 01:52:09,040
shatter on you right uh chain link

3294
01:52:13,109 --> 01:52:10,960
fences you can use this are you know you

3295
01:52:14,830 --> 01:52:13,119
know good enough rpg screens you know

3296
01:52:18,629 --> 01:52:14,840
that will detonate a rocket propelled

3297
01:52:22,070 --> 01:52:18,639
grenade um razor wires um citadels which

3298
01:52:24,149 --> 01:52:22,080
are you know in in secured interior uh

3299
01:52:25,910 --> 01:52:24,159
armored interior uh

3300
01:52:28,709 --> 01:52:25,920
uh compartments where you can you know

3301
01:52:30,629 --> 01:52:28,719
protect the crew and also cut off the

3302
01:52:31,910 --> 01:52:30,639
access to propulsion systems there's all

3303
01:52:35,589 --> 01:52:31,920
these little tricks

3304
01:52:37,910 --> 01:52:35,599
um that that these um

3305
01:52:40,229 --> 01:52:37,920
crews can use to defend themselves

3306
01:52:41,910 --> 01:52:40,239
how to detect pirates um and then what

3307
01:52:44,229 --> 01:52:41,920
to do you know the procedures and so on

3308
01:52:46,470 --> 01:52:44,239
so a lot of effort has been spent on

3309
01:52:49,030 --> 01:52:46,480
empowering the skippers to do these and

3310
01:52:52,149 --> 01:52:49,040
of course the private security companies

3311
01:52:55,030 --> 01:52:52,159
uh with with guns and um

3312
01:52:56,950 --> 01:52:55,040
and right there is that that's

3313
01:53:01,990 --> 01:52:56,960
that's the that's the most important

3314
01:53:05,589 --> 01:53:03,990
um you know you can take the fight to

3315
01:53:07,669 --> 01:53:05,599
the pirates but the best way to do that

3316
01:53:10,390 --> 01:53:07,679
is to empower locals

3317
01:53:12,149 --> 01:53:10,400
in you know countries like somalia

3318
01:53:14,229 --> 01:53:12,159
because

3319
01:53:16,470 --> 01:53:14,239
you remember that the pirates are

3320
01:53:17,669 --> 01:53:16,480
opportunistic criminals and so

3321
01:53:20,229 --> 01:53:17,679
uh if you have you know a group of

3322
01:53:21,189 --> 01:53:20,239
pirates hanging out in your town

3323
01:53:24,390 --> 01:53:21,199
they're

3324
01:53:26,950 --> 01:53:24,400
kidnapping people holding them for

3325
01:53:28,790 --> 01:53:26,960
ransom uh you know occasionally killing

3326
01:53:30,390 --> 01:53:28,800
people um

3327
01:53:31,750 --> 01:53:30,400
there's um

3328
01:53:33,589 --> 01:53:31,760
uh you know might be involved in the

3329
01:53:34,870 --> 01:53:33,599
prostitution business the drug business

3330
01:53:36,790 --> 01:53:34,880
and so on so a lot of the locals in

3331
01:53:37,990 --> 01:53:36,800
these towns in somalia do not do not

3332
01:53:41,510 --> 01:53:38,000
like pirates

3333
01:53:43,910 --> 01:53:41,520
and there were times when you know the

3334
01:53:45,750 --> 01:53:43,920
locals would grab their ak-47s and go

3335
01:53:47,510 --> 01:53:45,760
and run them off oh wow and you know

3336
01:53:49,350 --> 01:53:47,520
shootouts and that thing would happen if

3337
01:53:52,310 --> 01:53:49,360
they got paid right i mean

3338
01:53:53,750 --> 01:53:52,320
they get paid are they just mad

3339
01:53:54,870 --> 01:53:53,760
um you know i mean you know a lot of

3340
01:53:56,790 --> 01:53:54,880
times these little communities didn't

3341
01:53:58,470 --> 01:53:56,800
want the pirates around right um you

3342
01:54:00,229 --> 01:53:58,480
know there's just not you know

3343
01:54:01,990 --> 01:54:00,239
again these are just criminal criminal

3344
01:54:03,910 --> 01:54:02,000
gangs right you know and fairly small i

3345
01:54:05,990 --> 01:54:03,920
mean this was right it was made out to

3346
01:54:07,510 --> 01:54:06,000
be this oh well you know they couldn't

3347
01:54:09,270 --> 01:54:07,520
go fishing and so it says there are

3348
01:54:11,990 --> 01:54:09,280
these righteous robin hills

3349
01:54:13,430 --> 01:54:12,000
people but you know they robbed very few

3350
01:54:15,270 --> 01:54:13,440
uh fishing boats it was mostly these

3351
01:54:16,790 --> 01:54:15,280
multi-million dollar you know big ships

3352
01:54:18,070 --> 01:54:16,800
that they wanted we did the money with a

3353
01:54:20,310 --> 01:54:18,080
big payday well unless you have a

3354
01:54:22,070 --> 01:54:20,320
criminal syndicate that that forms out

3355
01:54:24,390 --> 01:54:22,080
of it you have warlords that are using

3356
01:54:26,950 --> 01:54:24,400
it you have you know

3357
01:54:28,790 --> 01:54:26,960
poorly paid operators you know on the

3358
01:54:30,470 --> 01:54:28,800
far end of it that are sent out as we

3359
01:54:32,070 --> 01:54:30,480
were talking before mack they're they're

3360
01:54:33,589 --> 01:54:32,080
drugged up pretty heavily

3361
01:54:35,030 --> 01:54:33,599
and if it doesn't follow the formula

3362
01:54:36,790 --> 01:54:35,040
well the warlord's not paying any

3363
01:54:38,310 --> 01:54:36,800
problem

3364
01:54:39,750 --> 01:54:38,320
and they go sideways it goes sideways

3365
01:54:41,430 --> 01:54:39,760
people get killed no big deal but there

3366
01:54:43,270 --> 01:54:41,440
was still a lot of money paid to these

3367
01:54:44,550 --> 01:54:43,280
characters at least back then okay they

3368
01:54:47,109 --> 01:54:44,560
because there were some ransoms that

3369
01:54:50,229 --> 01:54:47,119
went up as 36 40 million dollars a boat

3370
01:54:52,149 --> 01:54:50,239
sure okay and so it in but that money

3371
01:54:53,910 --> 01:54:52,159
isn't getting spread around in uh in

3372
01:54:55,350 --> 01:54:53,920
good community uh gestures no i

3373
01:54:57,030 --> 01:54:55,360
understand that but but it has to be

3374
01:54:58,709 --> 01:54:57,040
spent somewhere i mean these warlords i

3375
01:55:00,229 --> 01:54:58,719
know at one point time magazine had a

3376
01:55:02,390 --> 01:55:00,239
picture in news there's all these

3377
01:55:03,669 --> 01:55:02,400
mansions along the uh shoreline of

3378
01:55:04,950 --> 01:55:03,679
somalia and they said well this is where

3379
01:55:06,950 --> 01:55:04,960
the warlords left that's where the

3380
01:55:08,709 --> 01:55:06,960
pirates live you know but they must have

3381
01:55:09,910 --> 01:55:08,719
somehow invested it overseas or

3382
01:55:11,669 --> 01:55:09,920
something i mean there's just so much

3383
01:55:13,430 --> 01:55:11,679
money you couldn't spend it all in

3384
01:55:14,470 --> 01:55:13,440
somalia you could buy somalia right you

3385
01:55:15,990 --> 01:55:14,480
would think you would think that that's

3386
01:55:17,189 --> 01:55:16,000
what they're doing right

3387
01:55:19,030 --> 01:55:17,199
well they would you know you go build

3388
01:55:20,070 --> 01:55:19,040
mansions in kenya and retire they're

3389
01:55:22,390 --> 01:55:20,080
then retired

3390
01:55:23,910 --> 01:55:22,400
the smart the smart warlords the smart

3391
01:55:26,229 --> 01:55:23,920
criminals they would reinvest the

3392
01:55:28,390 --> 01:55:26,239
proceeds into the pirate piracy business

3393
01:55:30,709 --> 01:55:28,400
it's like any business right and um so

3394
01:55:33,189 --> 01:55:30,719
you hire crews you know you get more

3395
01:55:34,470 --> 01:55:33,199
boats right build a bigger house um you

3396
01:55:37,189 --> 01:55:34,480
know there's pay off government

3397
01:55:39,669 --> 01:55:37,199
officials to keep up your back and then

3398
01:55:41,669 --> 01:55:39,679
you go and train people to be quality

3399
01:55:43,910 --> 01:55:41,679
lawyers and you enter into this very

3400
01:55:45,510 --> 01:55:43,920
aboveboard business right yeah

3401
01:55:48,229 --> 01:55:45,520
process that you know everything's being

3402
01:55:50,070 --> 01:55:48,239
handling a 30 to 45 day thing but here

3403
01:55:52,709 --> 01:55:50,080
comes the problem with that go ahead um

3404
01:55:54,870 --> 01:55:52,719
so there's a there's this very toxic

3405
01:55:56,390 --> 01:55:54,880
dynamic that happens uh when they start

3406
01:55:57,990 --> 01:55:56,400
making more money and this is what

3407
01:55:59,030 --> 01:55:58,000
happened in somalia so

3408
01:56:00,390 --> 01:55:59,040
um

3409
01:56:02,950 --> 01:56:00,400
remember that the pirates are not

3410
01:56:05,510 --> 01:56:02,960
particularly sophisticated okay um and

3411
01:56:07,830 --> 01:56:05,520
there is a limit on how much the uh

3412
01:56:10,149 --> 01:56:07,840
insurance companies for these ships ship

3413
01:56:11,669 --> 01:56:10,159
these ships are willing to pay right so

3414
01:56:13,589 --> 01:56:11,679
um you know they would rake in 30

3415
01:56:15,830 --> 01:56:13,599
million dollars but that was more about

3416
01:56:17,350 --> 01:56:15,840
annually so you know a single ship

3417
01:56:18,950 --> 01:56:17,360
would fetch

3418
01:56:21,189 --> 01:56:18,960
um you know a few million dollars in

3419
01:56:23,189 --> 01:56:21,199
those um because that's as much as the

3420
01:56:26,070 --> 01:56:23,199
companies were willing to pay right uh

3421
01:56:28,229 --> 01:56:26,080
so what you'd have is that

3422
01:56:30,229 --> 01:56:28,239
this this trend toward pirates demanding

3423
01:56:31,990 --> 01:56:30,239
higher prices you know because this is

3424
01:56:33,830 --> 01:56:32,000
well they don't know how much you know

3425
01:56:35,189 --> 01:56:33,840
this ship is worth let's see if we can

3426
01:56:36,950 --> 01:56:35,199
do three million let's see if we can do

3427
01:56:38,070 --> 01:56:36,960
four million let's see we can do 4.5

3428
01:56:40,709 --> 01:56:38,080
million

3429
01:56:42,550 --> 01:56:40,719
and uh when the prices go up the

3430
01:56:44,870 --> 01:56:42,560
negotiations take longer and the

3431
01:56:47,189 --> 01:56:44,880
premiums get higher and for the

3432
01:56:48,870 --> 01:56:47,199
companies if the ships are out of action

3433
01:56:50,629 --> 01:56:48,880
for years

3434
01:56:52,149 --> 01:56:50,639
then out of some you know they're not

3435
01:56:54,470 --> 01:56:52,159
making money they're losing money every

3436
01:56:56,310 --> 01:56:54,480
day right they're not and so it becomes

3437
01:56:57,669 --> 01:56:56,320
a it eventually becomes a write-off for

3438
01:56:58,629 --> 01:56:57,679
the company right that's what i was

3439
01:57:00,390 --> 01:56:58,639
saying that earlier is that the

3440
01:57:02,310 --> 01:57:00,400
insurance companies kind of in a way

3441
01:57:04,790 --> 01:57:02,320
they kind of woke up and they said okay

3442
01:57:06,629 --> 01:57:04,800
look at his here's the number okay

3443
01:57:07,510 --> 01:57:06,639
and chris i said they always had a

3444
01:57:10,790 --> 01:57:07,520
number

3445
01:57:13,189 --> 01:57:10,800
over it you know what you just take the

3446
01:57:14,950 --> 01:57:13,199
ship as a loss you have insurance and uh

3447
01:57:17,030 --> 01:57:14,960
you know say levy

3448
01:57:18,790 --> 01:57:17,040
and that whole kind of putting an end to

3449
01:57:21,270 --> 01:57:18,800
the scam a little bit and i also think

3450
01:57:23,109 --> 01:57:21,280
that the the decrease in publicity too

3451
01:57:24,870 --> 01:57:23,119
to a certain extent

3452
01:57:27,350 --> 01:57:24,880
seems to have kind of tamped it down a

3453
01:57:28,229 --> 01:57:27,360
little bit and i want to give also give

3454
01:57:30,470 --> 01:57:28,239
credit

3455
01:57:31,910 --> 01:57:30,480
the obama administration

3456
01:57:34,790 --> 01:57:31,920
bringing it to court although it was

3457
01:57:36,950 --> 01:57:34,800
probably a crazy situation how that went

3458
01:57:39,350 --> 01:57:36,960
changed the the engagement because now

3459
01:57:41,510 --> 01:57:39,360
you're allowing uh legalities to come

3460
01:57:43,030 --> 01:57:41,520
into it and that means these nice

3461
01:57:44,870 --> 01:57:43,040
arrangements are going to come under

3462
01:57:46,709 --> 01:57:44,880
review and that means money may not be

3463
01:57:47,910 --> 01:57:46,719
paid right so that right you throw that

3464
01:57:50,310 --> 01:57:47,920
in there and then you start changing

3465
01:57:53,030 --> 01:57:50,320
navigation paths that did keep them out

3466
01:57:54,790 --> 01:57:53,040
of the range you had military presence

3467
01:57:56,229 --> 01:57:54,800
and that got organized you know there

3468
01:57:57,750 --> 01:57:56,239
was about

3469
01:57:59,589 --> 01:57:57,760
10 countries that were patrolling in

3470
01:58:00,629 --> 01:57:59,599
that part of it that would come to aid

3471
01:58:02,550 --> 01:58:00,639
or at least

3472
01:58:04,229 --> 01:58:02,560
be doing intercepts that all came

3473
01:58:05,750 --> 01:58:04,239
together

3474
01:58:07,350 --> 01:58:05,760
and it was probably one of the better

3475
01:58:09,510 --> 01:58:07,360
things that's occurred because it's got

3476
01:58:11,750 --> 01:58:09,520
a good military and diplomatic solution

3477
01:58:13,510 --> 01:58:11,760
but it's always follow the money and

3478
01:58:15,030 --> 01:58:13,520
that's where this ultimately is always

3479
01:58:16,310 --> 01:58:15,040
going to come to you take the money out

3480
01:58:19,030 --> 01:58:16,320
of the equation

3481
01:58:20,390 --> 01:58:19,040
i know at one point too um that

3482
01:58:22,070 --> 01:58:20,400
when they were still back on this kick

3483
01:58:23,669 --> 01:58:22,080
that you are you you have to kind of

3484
01:58:26,550 --> 01:58:23,679
defeat these guys with non-lethal

3485
01:58:28,550 --> 01:58:26,560
weapons they would have these um sound

3486
01:58:29,830 --> 01:58:28,560
guns that they would put on the ships

3487
01:58:32,149 --> 01:58:29,840
okay and they were relatively

3488
01:58:33,990 --> 01:58:32,159
inexpensive and um everyone on the ship

3489
01:58:36,470 --> 01:58:34,000
would put on industrial earmuffs and

3490
01:58:37,910 --> 01:58:36,480
these things would send out a sound wave

3491
01:58:40,149 --> 01:58:37,920
that was um

3492
01:58:42,870 --> 01:58:40,159
i remember from

3493
01:58:44,790 --> 01:58:42,880
the band blue chair was uh you know some

3494
01:58:47,030 --> 01:58:44,800
time blue i was thinking purple okay

3495
01:58:49,270 --> 01:58:47,040
well close okay and they they hit like

3496
01:58:51,350 --> 01:58:49,280
you know 155 whatever it was but this

3497
01:58:54,070 --> 01:58:51,360
would grow like over 200 or something so

3498
01:58:56,149 --> 01:58:54,080
747 at a thousand feet yeah equivalent

3499
01:58:57,350 --> 01:58:56,159
to something it would rust your eardrums

3500
01:58:59,270 --> 01:58:57,360
you know and and that's and they would

3501
01:59:00,390 --> 01:58:59,280
literally drop so so they were painful

3502
01:59:02,310 --> 01:59:00,400
you know and they literally drive the

3503
01:59:04,070 --> 01:59:02,320
boats away so i don't know how effective

3504
01:59:06,070 --> 01:59:04,080
it was and they used to also have uh

3505
01:59:07,990 --> 01:59:06,080
fire hoses you know because yeah somehow

3506
01:59:09,750 --> 01:59:08,000
they have to and that's another thing is

3507
01:59:12,390 --> 01:59:09,760
that you know they used to just have

3508
01:59:13,750 --> 01:59:12,400
entryways like almost at surface level

3509
01:59:15,189 --> 01:59:13,760
you know and so people just started

3510
01:59:17,589 --> 01:59:15,199
buying those and you have to come up

3511
01:59:19,350 --> 01:59:17,599
with a ladder so they took you know

3512
01:59:20,870 --> 01:59:19,360
a series of steps to kind of you know

3513
01:59:21,750 --> 01:59:20,880
downgrade what these characters are up

3514
01:59:23,270 --> 01:59:21,760
to

3515
01:59:24,790 --> 01:59:23,280
reminds me of that what was that water

3516
01:59:28,070 --> 01:59:24,800
world movie with dennis hopper on the

3517
01:59:29,510 --> 01:59:28,080
giant oil container it's all these yeah

3518
01:59:31,669 --> 01:59:29,520
like guys with a

3519
01:59:33,109 --> 01:59:31,679
tricked out little mad max type weapons

3520
01:59:35,189 --> 01:59:33,119
did you like that movie i thought i was

3521
01:59:36,790 --> 01:59:35,199
the only one that liked that movie world

3522
01:59:39,750 --> 01:59:36,800
very expensive flop at the time but a

3523
01:59:41,830 --> 01:59:39,760
lot of sci-fi people like it i love it

3524
01:59:44,790 --> 01:59:41,840
i it's got cool props i gotta say i

3525
01:59:46,149 --> 01:59:44,800
gotta say uh

3526
01:59:47,990 --> 01:59:46,159
filming is actually pretty good in that

3527
01:59:49,189 --> 01:59:48,000
yeah it's kind of fantastic in a way you

3528
01:59:51,030 --> 01:59:49,199
know so

3529
01:59:54,070 --> 01:59:51,040
i was going to say by the way um you

3530
01:59:55,830 --> 01:59:54,080
know that when i talk about how the

3531
01:59:56,950 --> 01:59:55,840
piracy got more expensive right so

3532
01:59:58,470 --> 01:59:56,960
there's fewer ships that are being

3533
02:00:01,910 --> 01:59:58,480
intercepted because the the skippers

3534
02:00:03,350 --> 02:00:01,920
have wised up yes um you know and um

3535
02:00:05,750 --> 02:00:03,360
but not only that the piracy business

3536
02:00:08,390 --> 02:00:05,760
had expanded right so you've got pirates

3537
02:00:09,830 --> 02:00:08,400
now sitting on inventory yes right okay

3538
02:00:11,350 --> 02:00:09,840
that is

3539
02:00:13,189 --> 02:00:11,360
you know they're still negotiating

3540
02:00:16,229 --> 02:00:13,199
they're not but they're also have to

3541
02:00:18,470 --> 02:00:16,239
keep paying these crews right to

3542
02:00:19,270 --> 02:00:18,480
gar you know to you know sit around all

3543
02:00:20,629 --> 02:00:19,280
day

3544
02:00:22,149 --> 02:00:20,639
and meanwhile the locals are getting

3545
02:00:24,070 --> 02:00:22,159
agitated the pirates are getting

3546
02:00:26,870 --> 02:00:24,080
agitated and they're

3547
02:00:28,470 --> 02:00:26,880
they're high on cats yes you know

3548
02:00:30,790 --> 02:00:28,480
chewable narcotic

3549
02:00:33,189 --> 02:00:30,800
uh and it's

3550
02:00:35,350 --> 02:00:33,199
you know and this set in a

3551
02:00:36,870 --> 02:00:35,360
you know pirates aren't getting more uh

3552
02:00:39,030 --> 02:00:36,880
deadly they were

3553
02:00:40,470 --> 02:00:39,040
some killings um

3554
02:00:45,350 --> 02:00:40,480
and

3555
02:00:47,270 --> 02:00:45,360
more they go back on a deal so you would

3556
02:00:49,830 --> 02:00:47,280
a company would fly and drop you know

3557
02:00:51,990 --> 02:00:49,840
two million dollars and and the pirates

3558
02:00:53,830 --> 02:00:52,000
would then say okay no deals the deal

3559
02:00:55,109 --> 02:00:53,840
has changed we want more money right so

3560
02:00:56,229 --> 02:00:55,119
the companies are like screw it we're

3561
02:00:58,550 --> 02:00:56,239
not going to do business with you right

3562
02:00:59,270 --> 02:00:58,560
yeah the business model was flawed you

3563
02:01:00,709 --> 02:00:59,280
know

3564
02:01:02,149 --> 02:01:00,719
it got flawed they should have saved

3565
02:01:03,510 --> 02:01:02,159
their money send one of their guys to

3566
02:01:05,189 --> 02:01:03,520
like the london

3567
02:01:07,750 --> 02:01:05,199
school of economics or something where

3568
02:01:10,070 --> 02:01:07,760
mick jagger went how much money he spent

3569
02:01:12,070 --> 02:01:10,080
anyway so this is their money wisely

3570
02:01:13,910 --> 02:01:12,080
what else is going on down there robin

3571
02:01:16,870 --> 02:01:13,920
the big d

3572
02:01:19,910 --> 02:01:16,880
oh um what is going on um

3573
02:01:21,990 --> 02:01:19,920
ah i'm drawing a blank all right

3574
02:01:24,149 --> 02:01:22,000
dallas cowboys juan is pantomiming

3575
02:01:26,070 --> 02:01:24,159
someone watching the dish we're gonna

3576
02:01:30,149 --> 02:01:26,080
guess a thumbs down on that

3577
02:01:31,830 --> 02:01:30,159
no yeah yeah unfortunately yeah um okay

3578
02:01:33,510 --> 02:01:31,840
yeah i mean it's you know it's dog days

3579
02:01:35,669 --> 02:01:33,520
of summer here so really yeah i mean

3580
02:01:38,550 --> 02:01:35,679
everybody kind of argues hard

3581
02:01:40,229 --> 02:01:38,560
is that what you're saying yeah

3582
02:01:42,470 --> 02:01:40,239
uh yeah i mean i think i might have some

3583
02:01:44,149 --> 02:01:42,480
more a little more free time

3584
02:01:45,589 --> 02:01:44,159
all right i'll keep you i'll stay in

3585
02:01:46,870 --> 02:01:45,599
touch do you want to take up a

3586
02:01:48,310 --> 02:01:46,880
collection for you is that what you're

3587
02:01:51,189 --> 02:01:48,320
hinting around then

3588
02:01:52,629 --> 02:01:51,199
no no i'm good i work there

3589
02:01:53,589 --> 02:01:52,639
thank you rob beckhausen down there in

3590
02:01:56,550 --> 02:01:53,599
the big d

3591
02:01:57,830 --> 02:01:56,560
uh stay stay for another week okay

3592
02:02:00,390 --> 02:01:57,840
yeah okay

3593
02:02:01,669 --> 02:02:00,400
thank you rob thanks a lot be safe

3594
02:02:02,950 --> 02:02:01,679
be safe rob

3595
02:02:05,030 --> 02:02:02,960
one one i believe that's the end of the

3596
02:02:06,149 --> 02:02:05,040
show it is already yep wait a second

3597
02:02:08,070 --> 02:02:06,159
let's set this up

3598
02:02:11,030 --> 02:02:08,080
you're serious here we go

3599
02:02:13,910 --> 02:02:11,040
uh so why don't we say a big thank you

3600
02:02:16,149 --> 02:02:13,920
to all of our guests we will start

3601
02:02:18,790 --> 02:02:16,159
with uh very good friends willie miranda

3602
02:02:20,709 --> 02:02:18,800
and susan mcneil spooler they are

3603
02:02:22,470 --> 02:02:20,719
putting on the new england ufo

3604
02:02:23,750 --> 02:02:22,480
conference in

3605
02:02:25,270 --> 02:02:23,760
um

3606
02:02:27,350 --> 02:02:25,280
can you guess the name of the town there

3607
02:02:29,589 --> 02:02:27,360
leominster leominster at the leominster

3608
02:02:32,470 --> 02:02:29,599
city hall

3609
02:02:35,350 --> 02:02:32,480
october 6th and 7th that's a uh weekend

3610
02:02:37,510 --> 02:02:35,360
sixth is bigfoot night seven is um on

3611
02:02:38,950 --> 02:02:37,520
the seventh saturday red nick redfern's

3612
02:02:41,189 --> 02:02:38,960
gonna be speaking on a whole list of

3613
02:02:42,790 --> 02:02:41,199
other people sounds like a cool

3614
02:02:44,470 --> 02:02:42,800
just a cool gathering you know so we

3615
02:02:46,149 --> 02:02:44,480
might make the road trip out there

3616
02:02:48,070 --> 02:02:46,159
thanks a lot uh to those two thanks to

3617
02:02:49,750 --> 02:02:48,080
jim harold for uh calling in and talking

3618
02:02:51,910 --> 02:02:49,760
to us about the black-eyed children and

3619
02:02:53,910 --> 02:02:51,920
scaring us all over again after two

3620
02:02:55,189 --> 02:02:53,920
weeks ago that's that idea that you know

3621
02:02:56,950 --> 02:02:55,199
once you see them you can never go to

3622
02:02:58,390 --> 02:02:56,960
sleep again that is that creeps me out

3623
02:03:00,550 --> 02:02:58,400
in a big big way

3624
02:03:02,709 --> 02:03:00,560
thank you jim for creeping us out

3625
02:03:05,430 --> 02:03:02,719
uh also check out his website through

3626
02:03:08,149 --> 02:03:05,440
jim harold.com right great website

3627
02:03:10,149 --> 02:03:08,159
uh chris ah the uh military investigator

3628
02:03:11,750 --> 02:03:10,159
for the navy he works for the real life

3629
02:03:13,669 --> 02:03:11,760
ncis

3630
02:03:15,750 --> 02:03:13,679
uh presently in honolulu but he did a

3631
02:03:17,350 --> 02:03:15,760
lot of work in